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  1. Trekson

    Prophecy vs. Apocalyptic

    Hi Naomi, I hope this day finds you doing well. No...the bible paints a clear picture: Christ returns, he raises the dead, the living, gives new bodies, judges all, remakes the cosmos, etc. Obviously, it’s not that clear or thousands of us wouldn’t be having these discussions. We agree that...
  2. Trekson

    Is the Psalm 83 War about to Start??

    The same thing could have been said in 1967, 1973, 1982 and a half dozen more or so.
  3. Trekson

    Prophecy vs. Apocalyptic

    I'm sorry, but...what? "Just because it contains symbols, doesn't mean its symbolic". Here's some very "plain sense". If you come across a symbol...it's a symbol. And of course symbols stand for an actual truth. This is part of the whole "spiritualizer" strawman argument that goes on. I've...
  4. Trekson

    Prophecy vs. Apocalyptic

    Hi Naomi, Wait....hang on. You see the seeming fact that Christ returns multiple times, as "different aspects of the same event"? In other words.....the same event being repeated....described slightly differently? HOW is that any different to recapitulation? If I remember right you think...
  5. Trekson

    Prophecy vs. Apocalyptic

    So...let me get this straight. Revelation cannot be apocalyptic like Daniel, because it doesn't have the words 'dream' or 'vision' in it, and every time John says "I saw" he was being shown "in the flesh"? So....it doesn't count if he was shown all those things while actually there, rather than...
  6. Trekson

    Prophecy vs. Apocalyptic

    Hi Naomi, Your words are in black, mine in red. The reason why 'the obvious understanding isn't the natural understanding' is because when one reads Revelation chronologically and in a strictly literal manner, it simply doesn't make sense. We have Christ returning more than once and world ending...
  7. Trekson

    Prophecy vs. Apocalyptic

    I thought that might be the case as I didn't respond in a way that would give you an alert, hence the second message.
  8. Trekson

    Prophecy vs. Apocalyptic

    See above
  9. Trekson

    Prophecy vs. Apocalyptic

    Hi Naomi, You stated – “I think there is a bit of hermeneutical assumption that says that Rev 1:19 is speaking of "past-present-future" events. Because when one reads what it says...while that interpretation could be pressed into it, it seems a far more naturally reading to see: "John, write...
  10. Trekson

    Revelation 10 who, what , when ??

    My bad, sorry guys.
  11. Trekson

    Revelation 10 who, what , when ??

    Of course I believe in the trinity but no where in the bible is the Holy Spirit projected as a person w/ hands and feet.
  12. Trekson

    Revelation 10 who, what , when ??

    Having never really given it much thought I thought I’d study a bit and see if I could offer some possibilities. The following are only possibilities and opinions. Revelation 10 1. Who is the mighty angel, his feet on the sea and the earth ? Rev. 10:1 – “And I saw another mighty angel come...
  13. Trekson

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    I agree and they will be the 144,000, imho. Have you gotten around to reading the Prophecy vs. Apocalyptic post yet?
  14. Trekson

    Who Is The: "Him" ???

    The "HIM" is the a/c ruling in Jerusalem. Vs. 21 begins his story.
  15. Trekson

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Actually Naomi, this was a literal prophecy that became literally fulfilled. The NC was indeed made w/ Israel. Don't forget that for the first decade or so there were only Israeli believers. Prophecy fulfilled literally. The Gentiles became heirs to the same covenant but it came to Israel first...
  16. Trekson

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    John was the youngest disciple and the last surviving one. I can only hazard a guess but I would say that God simply didn't inspire him to write until the latter time of his life. As far as the seven churches being "Jewish" christians, I would say, No way! They were Gentile churches. By the time...
  17. Trekson

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Most scholars disagree giving these dates for five of the books in the NT: John: AD 80-90 1 John: AD 90-95 2 John: AD 90-95 3 John: AD 90-95 Revelation: AD 94-96 Those that give an earlier date do so to give credence to the "symbolism" of Rev. or preterists or historicists.
  18. Trekson

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    If you look at "keep" G5083, nothing in the definition means to remove from but to guard and protect against. But the only thing God is protecting is our souls, not our bodies. As Jesus taught, "we are to be considered as lambs to the slaughter" and the bible also says to "fear not him which can...
  19. Trekson

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Imo, Corel, that's not correct, the gospels were written for both, they are a record of the reality of what Christ did and said. By the time they were authored (60ad give or take five years or so) the gentile church far outnumbered the amount of Israelites coming to the gospel. Many think John...
  20. Trekson

    The Destruction of this Planet

    With all due respect, Scott, it is comparing God to the lights in the heavens (sky), It is saying that God is constant (no variableness) and unmoving unlike His creation, the sun and the moon and the stars that seem to move due to the earth's rotation, where sometimes we are in shadow (night)...