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You quoted vs 21 of mat 24. We know it is a 7 yr package because of vs 21. It is not "Great tribulation, such as the world, has never seen and never will be seen", and then all of a sudden, "a tribulation equal to or surpassing it" ( as you suggest), happens in what you are calling "the...

1) include power and great glory of mat 24:30 2) Jesus returns after the WRATH in power and great glory. 3) the return after the wrath is on white Horses and is in power and great glory. With a warrior king destroying the antichrist and the false prophet ,and their army. So you have mat 24...

Evidently you have Jesus returning in power and great glory before the white horses second coming. Jesus did not use the word "wrath" because the entire 7 yr period is the great tribulation. The great tribulation period ends in a period of wrath. How do we know this? Because Daniel did not...

Hard to get on the same page with modern phrase centered people. "Trib" "Great trib" "Wrath" 7 YR TRIB BECOMES A BOGEYMAN THAT IS OFF THE TABLE. And all those phrases used outside of the bible...but so key to misleading people into some made up timeline and just recklessly omit verses. IOW...

Not correct. Angels gather in heaven at the white horses. You recruited that to the rapture. All rapture verses are peacetime, normal life, everyday life and buying selling You undid verses to make a warrior coming merge with a groom coming with zero warfare and no such setting of the ac with...

Lol So many verses with the setting depicted VIVIDLY. You say all that is irrelevant???? The Holy Spirit put tge setting as OPPOSITE your doctrine I believe all that. After the pretrib rapture the dead in christ already in heaven recieve glorified bodies. Ask yourself why it is necessary for...

At the white horseman

No matter what "one obscure thought or verse" you have, they have never ERASED the rapture verses, and NEVER will. There are 2 resurrections taught in scripture. We know those in Chrisr are raised at the rapture. You somehow see some need to make all the several dynamics into one. Your dismissal...

Nope. In the first part of the trib thousands die. Earth's inhabitants. So the " no trib for unbelievers " is way off. See this is what I am talking about. The hyper separation of "wrath vs trib" and "no overlap remotely possible" is a picture frame to interpret mat 24. I just proved it is not...

Ahem Read Rev 19. That is the flaming fire return. What you posted flows perfectly with the pretrib rapture doctrine. Thanks for the pretrib rapture review You are attempting to refute a doctrine that you know little about..

All rapture verses are pretrib. I know you have been taught to ignore that. You just say everything is mixed together. Blenderized. But no. The bible says different That is why EVERY postribber changes the virgins parable.

Yes. Angels gather the elect from heaven as you point out, not realizing in the rapture Jesus gathers. So maybe put all context on table

Explain how they get on white horses of rev 19 which is tge second coming on white horses???? Mat 24 fits PERFECTLY Do you think ANGELS ALREADY IN HEAVEN, GATHER ALL THAT ARMY TO ASSEMBLE IN HEAVEN ON WHITE HORSES????? But you leave out that that coming by Jesus is in power and great glory IN...

1) all rapture verses are pretrib. 2) the second coming verses are on white horses. That setting is OPPOSITE of the rapture verses. So what do we do? I do not do what you do and swipe them off the table, then address your opponent and say "see how correct I am"....." and don't look at the...

No rapture verse has YOUR SETTING. AGAIN..you totally 100% made all that up! Every rapture verse has NORMAL LIFE, EVERYDAY ACTIVITIES , FREE COMMERCE, AND PEACETIME.

Well you made that up. Show me "power and great glory" at any rapture verse. You never figured it in. It makes your ENTIRE DEAL IMPOSSIBLE. IT ONLY fits the return on white horses. But at least we can see exactly where you begin the willy nilly misplacements Including the misunderstanding that...

Explain to me how "power and great glory" is not the white horses. Jesus told you in Acts 1 and EVERY RAPTURE VERSE, It is peacetime, commerce and normal daily life. Which BTW destroys your assumption of your claim ( in exact defiance of the bible) that Jesus is depicting a postrib rapture with...

Remember you keep leaving out "power and great glory " Then you say " it all fits" Nope not a chance.

Nope You left out "power and great glory." Show me how it all works out once the context is introduced.

Nobody can lead you to truth. It is completely futile.