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It would be nice if postribbers could grant your request. But i have no hopes they will. They would have to debate the Bible verses.

Thank you for bringing the word into the debate. It is refreshing. It also debunks any hope of a postrib rapture. Mat 24 has 2 gatherings. 2 comings. Impossible to miss.

No. You did nothing We can all see via a Bible, there is a rapture. If that word disturbs you, we can call the gathering of the bride something else

When I debunked your " one coming" I did it with acts1, rev14:14, the virgin parable, mat 24:38, and 1 thes 4., and the one taken/one left. ALL OF WHICH YOU ARE UNAWARE OF. But anyone can see I destroyed "one coming" Which is the head of postribber rapture. I decapitated that false doctrine...

Pretrib doctrine says exactly that.

So all 3 comings taught in the Bible are " the day of the Lord" You are saying there are 3 "days of the Lord"

Wel well well. Loookey here...we got a player. Actually opened his Bible. Thank you Jeff. You are hoping to prove " one coming" ? I agree with all those verses on their face value, but one coming is debunked decisively by a Bible. Your hopes are not proven. They are easily DISproven

Lol Go play.

I have met you and soundly addressed your one verse. You will not engage me.

The second coming on white horses is not Rev 14 's gathering. Nor is it Acts 1 "like manner return" . nor is it Lot being gathered pretrib Nor is it normal life and commerce. Nor is it the virgin parable. You have such a weight of God's word against your solo misinterpreted banner verse...

Uh, no, you proved nothing at all. We believe he returns to Jerusalem.

Here we have an entire page dedicated to put downs and silly accusations. How true that you guys can not debate me

Get real friend. Get honest If you can not get honest , you can not debate. All debate depends on honesty. Part of this thread is to address the very thing you guys do. Falsely accuse. Accuse, reframe our VERSES , and omit.

If the second coming is on the white horses (which it is)in Rev 19, then you are totally painted into a corner. IOW, You are starting your rapture theory from a total farce and position of defeat. You come in here with no verses and accuse us of the same.( IOW LIE ABOUT US IN YOUR...

Yes This is the thing. In romans 9,10,11, wexsee God will bring back the covenant Jew to Himself. She is the rebellious wife. God is after her. The GT has a purpose. The end of the Gentile church, and the plow to prepare tge hearts of the Jews for Rev 14:14. Which is the harvest of the Jews...

"Orange man bad" Huh, what did he do that was bad? " I just know he is bad." "Pretrib rapture bad" Huh, why? " I dunno it just is" Lol

His goal is to suck you into a banter of personal attacking back and forth.

HE is not "concept vs concept" He is offended at the thought that The church is raptured pretrib. That is the discussion. Pretrib rapture verses,vs, those offended at us. Their position is centered in emotions . Not verses. That is the reason for the name calling and such.

Lol "Like manner" is local, no horses, no warrior Savior, no tribulation period, nobody killed, no Antichrist army,. Exactly opposite of your theory. But fits pretrib return like a glove. You call is liars , then post a passage that makes your deal impossible and a lie. SMH Too funny.

Nope. The description is 2 separate events. No way is sitting on a cloud the exact same thing as sitting on a horse. No way is a sword a sickle. Factor in Acts 1. "Like manner" Like manner can not be postrib in any creativity you can throw at it