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We all see the obvious. Your unpacking of the " before the flood gathering", has the world destroyed at the coming. The Bible has the army of the ac destroyed at the white horse coming. There is no commerce or normal life at the white horse coming. So your deal is way way off. Are you totally...

Is this rapture you are referring to, on white horses?

Wow. You serious??? What do you think " firstfruits " is referring to??? Jesus with a sickle??? Angels telling Jesus " thrust in your sickle and reap" Gather the wheat into the barn?????? Parable of the sower???? Tares gathered and burned????

Normal living. Noah gathered DURING NORMAL LIVING. But I know that severely hurts your deal.

The Bible says the dead in christ rise first. You saying the Bible is wrong?

Your model, if it is postrib rapture, has ZERO COMMERCE for believers, and NO NORMAL LIFE. So keep refraiming that item. That is the only way to wiggle out of what is written. Either change it or omit it. It does SEVERE HARM to your deal...and anyone honestly in study of the word would not do...

It was Jesus that SAID normal life. Take it up with him as it is the Bible I am leading you to go against.

Ahem...." firstfruits " What do you think that word refers to?

@The Light Are you saying 1 thes 4 has two separate events? .... and the dead and " us alive" has a major time lapse between the dead gathered and those ones alive? Two separate comings? If so....I totally disagree

Not with Noah Not with Lot.

Pretty hard to wiggle out of the facts. Noah gathered preflood/ pretrib. Normal life and commerce at that gathering. Noah RETURNS to earth FROM THE HEAVENS. Just omit it. ...as you continue to do. Are you actually aware that you need Noah and Lot removed post trib/ post judgement?? The Noah...

Mat 24:38 " before the flood" ..watch and be ready. Acts 1 " ...this same Jesus shall return in like manner". ( uh that would be only fitting pretrib rapture) Rev 3 : 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all...

"..He shall send his angels..." (while he stays where he is at) "..and THEY SHALL GATHER..." NOT AT ALL THE RAPTURE. Eschatology centers on the bride and the bridegroom. The groom Gathering the bride. That is what the Rapture is. It's not a Doctrine about the tribulation . it's not what is the...

In the amil shreader along with half the bible

Again...no verses as usual

You just quoted Jesus as saying after the tribulation that angels will gather the elect from heaven. That is not Jesus Gathering believers from Earth. So do you believe the words of Jesus that after the tribulation the church already in heaven is gathered to get onto the White Horses by the...

In amil land there are no commas or periods. The entire end times is a blur. The entire deal is a FF button,fast tracking EVERY EVENT to the GWT Judgment. It all happens at once. Nobody is going to fall for ANY of that friend. That is the emptiest eschatology wagon ever to hit the trail. You...

Prewrath postrib can figure it to within a month or so. Postwrath can do the same. Both are obviously false doctrine on several fronts. At this late hour, with recent revelation of the significance of Rev 14, and Jesus actually placing his pretrib coming in mat 24, it is strange that anyone...

Your last 2 posts have zero scripture. Sums up your deal huh?