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Partly. They know that they are defending a religious scheme that they believe is supported in the bible. Where the dishonesty lies is in ignoring all the verses that condemn their stance. After that pride kicks in...and arrogance....and accusations... so that they think those who criticize them...

Yes. Virtue signalling. People want to be seen as supporting the bible, God, and Jesus while they actually undermine everything that is true and praiseworthy. And that kind of guile is VERY common among those who claim to be "born again" ...in a modern way....certainly not in a biblical way...

Amen. That's why the refusal of even a human level of righteousness demonstrates that their claim to having an even HIGHER form of righteousness is bogus. And that's an understatement. What they also don't understand is that a free gift is only a SAMPLE of the full measure of grace that must be...

Exactly. And you don't need to cite chapter and verse for me. ;) You speak in half-truths. The bible says many more things than you will admit to. You can't take one verse and then negate all other verses. The righteousness that is of God is a free gift that is not of works. AND human...

People think that the gospel is having peace and assurance with God IN YOUR SINS. And not just that...but also claiming not only to be forgiven but also justified to be as righteous as God is...in sin. A sinful holiness...and a lawless salvation. Is it any wonder why so many will be rejected...

Well I thank you for your encouragement sister. :) But I genuinely care for souls...as if I was speaking to my younger self. I have many children and grandkids (number 21 on the way) and as your family gets bigger so does your heart and love for the innocent. My prayer is that those who attack...

Which is worse? Sinning in your own righteousness or sinning in God's righteousness? The religious hucksters that are trying to get more money and people in the pews will tell you that sinning in God's righteousness means forgiveness whereas sinning in your own righteousness gets you condemned...

I give people here a LOT more credit than I should. I figure people know the bible as much as I do....big mistake. I'm realizing how little biblical knowledge people actually have...never mind a lack of understanding of what is written. I cite verses a LOT without putting in chapter and verse...

I see you are bringing your unbelief and hardness of heart to another one of my threads. :rolleyes: Maybe my use of the word "gates" doesn't register with you because you can't relate that to the "DOORS" ideas in the bible. I use gates for a reason as it relates to the holy city. But Jesus...

Not at all. What I am saying is EXACTLY what the authors of the bible are relating. They are speaking of what they know by experience and revelation. I do the same. I would NEVER be religious and assume I know something based on a silly human indoctrination. If you had any wisdom at all...you...

One would have to be blind indeed to not see that the kingdom of God is a RADICAL meritocracy (if you don't produce enough fruit you are rejected). You are reading the bible through rose-tinted glasses indeed with a flowers and rainbows utopian view that ignores the many warnings that are...

Please test this. Most believers have a utopian view of salvation..which appeals to the flesh. People see the free gift part of entering into a walk of faith, but negate the MERITOCRACY aspect whereby we reap as WE have sown. With salvation comes a tragic view of the state of the church. We...

You say you are not against the fear of the Lord....but without having it. You say that holiness is important without seeking first the kingdom. I question your honesty because you don't have a flesh filter. Bearing fruit is on 2 levels. Holy eternal fruit AND righteous fruit based on honesty...

That's your opinion. But anyone that escapes the lake of fire is saved...even as by fire. Don't let a religious or human perspective stop you from getting the truth.

1. We have to read the bible as it is written...not try to overlay a religious perspective over it. That's why there are thousands of denominations...preferences. It is Jesus that gives the teaching about a man who fails holiness and finds a place among the righteous in eternal habitations. Luke...

You are confusing being saved with being glorified. A man can be killed in battle and never come home. The medics couldn't save him. But a man can be so badly burned in battle that he needs to remain in hospital for the rest of his life. Was he killed? No he was saved. But he was saved as by...

The bible ONLY divides the righteous from the holy. It is so plain that you can't see it. You still think the Bride is the same as being a guest. You think glory is the same as mercy. You see being ruled over as the same as ruling with Christ. There's really no help for someone who is both blind...

So then stop with the pride that makes you call God a liar. Simple. But will you heed your own advice?

Why do you think you are fulfilling God's conditions for entering His kingdom? What fruits are you bearing? Holy and eternal fruit? You can't believe 2 opposite things at once...are you a child of the kingdom that can be sent into outer darkness? You will say NO. Because you want one aspect of...

The sins that are past..as it is written. But new sins, worse sins, arise due to sins against holiness, pride, iniquity, blasphemy..etc So until judgment day we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling....not in smugness and self-assurance. You mean believed ABOUT Jesus. It is...