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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Yes You have pointed out the back sun verses several times But that has led you into a corner. Because nowhere does he come in power and great glory except after the 7 yr trib....( trib then wrath for your Model) And again, you confuse " revealed" with "installed and taking power" Two...
  2. rebuilder 454

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Nope The ONLY Place he comes in power and great glory is rev 19. Show me differently. There is no place in the pretrib or prewrath comings/ raptures that he comes in power and great glory. Only postwrath on the whitehorses. Huge hole in your model right there Zero
  3. rebuilder 454

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    """Jesus returns and remains in the clouds at the 6th seal immediately after the tribulation for the second harvest. This is the second coming.""" Again..does not line up. Rev 14. Harvest in vs 14 is with a sickle. The white horses leave from heaven. Vs 14 harvest is to heaven. And again I do...
  4. rebuilder 454

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    the Jews are raptured after the AC is installed. The church is raptured after He is revealed. You think the millions beheaded are nor aware of the AC? It is the Jews that are powerfully deceived. They are blinded for a reason. Exactly like they are blinded now....and were blinded when Jesus...
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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    The AC is revealed then the rapture. He is not in power when he is revealed. Obama was an example of revealed then a few months later, installed in power. You are thinking something other than revealed. He is revealed pretrib to the remnant church exactly like Obama was. Many good Christians...
  6. rebuilder 454

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Yep The last part of the GT is wrath.
  7. rebuilder 454

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    The entire 7 years is great tribulation. Wrath has within it tribulation Definitions are useful. One dimensional mental interpretations and making things fit like "trumpets" , "day of the lord" ,"hour", "tribulation","great tribulation", "wrath", etc can make things look correct, but defy the...
  8. rebuilder 454

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    We can all assume the wrath is one year. Does not change anything. Assuming the innumerable number are in heaven at the time you suggest is out if whack. The verse you quoted for their arrival in heaven only states they are already there, not when they arrived.
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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    once the wrath begins, if you read it, there is no prior coming on white horses mentioned. In fact, when the white horses do descend, that battle is quick. There are no falling hailstones and men trying to repent. No sir. No matter how many TV preachers agree with your theory it does not fit.
  10. rebuilder 454

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    """Noah and Lot are examples of 2 raptures""" Nope Both before judgement Both have free commerce Both have peacetime Both have normal life as usual Both are depicted side by side with one taken/one left Both have 50% left behind. It is impossible that they are 2 separate events.
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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    """There are no dirty robe believers that I am aware. If they were believers, they would have made their robes white by the blood of the Lamb""" The foolish virgins are believers. 1 Corinthians is full of dirty believers. The 7 letters in rev has many sinful believers. When we sin, we need...
  12. rebuilder 454

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    You must understand that with noah and lot which are Jesus examples of the rapture, there is not even the slightest hint of a 2 part trib/wrath. Plus you are misplacing the innumerable number. There is nothing there placing them in your timeframe. They had dirty robes and needed washing The...
  13. rebuilder 454

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    The only place Jesus descends in power and great Glory is in Revelation 19. which when he returns ,he ends the 7-year Great Tribulation. The ones that are the innumerable number came out of the Great Tribulation Jesus said after the Great Tribulation he would return in power. The whole 7...
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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    I agree in part because Jesus called the entire trib " great tribulation." Plus the innumerable number came out of the great trib. They had dirty robes. They are the foolish virgins left behind. So the innumerable number are in heaven right away. It all has to fit, otherwise things are just...
  15. rebuilder 454

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    In the parable of the wedding feast the Jews do not attend. The gentile church is the bride.( plus a small section of messianic Jews.) The Jews are the wife gone awhoring.( The wife nonetheless) In the virgin parable the bride is taken from earth directly to the wedding chamber. ( not saying...
  16. rebuilder 454

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    The great multitude CAME OUT OF the GT. Pretty much so except you are putting the wrath / GT dynamic in terms of days and maybe you are basing all that on "7th trump" or something? The return on white horses ends the "wrath"/7 yr gt, or whatever you call it nowadays. That is at the arrival of...
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    The KJV of the Holy Bible is based on what? A question for all the KJO folks.

    That is truly a nothing burger In no way does that have anything to do with any mistranslation. KJV is ok with "patterns/copies" No foul even remotely associated
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    THE 6TH TRUMPET ONLY REPRESENTS "GREAT TRIB" TIME

    the AC kicks off the trib, GT, 7 YR TRIB or what ever you want to call it.. He arrives and establishes the one world system, which requires the mark. Massive martyrdom right from the start of the GT...or trib, or whatever the modern terminology calls the 7 yr GT. Those that over emphacise the...
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    THE 6TH TRUMPET ONLY REPRESENTS "GREAT TRIB" TIME

    """So if you don't study the Book of Joel about the locusts, then you will miss a lot of what God is loosing them upon the earth for, and He reveals in Joel 2 that the locusts represent an army He sends upon the earth. For modern events of our day, the locusts represent the world controllers...
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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Rev 7 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; If you keep reading we get context and chronology. ".....These...