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How can one disagree when they don’t really have their own opinion on the matter. Have you studied Daniel? If lawlessness is found in the 1st century and that means there are those that preach a different gospel, and the gospel preached by Paul and the others represents the teachings of the...

Then you will have to look harder… I mentioned earlier that in order to be “lawlessness” there must be something to be identified as “the law or what is lawlessness.” And since lawlessness has been found in Paul’s time it means that there have been folks preaching a different gospel than what he...

What is your understanding? What are you disagreeing with?

Lawlessness is found before the lawless one is revealed.

The church was started by Jesus after the cross. And it would not take long for lawlessness to be found within the growing community. The apostles, Paul and the other followers of Jesus would go out preaching the Word of God and the Testimony of Jesus and they would find those that would...

Why do you say that Nero is the sea beast? What is your understanding of who the sea beast and the earth beast is? Does your interpretation of the lawless one in 2 Thessalonians 2 fit well with the 7 markers? Would you mind offering your understanding of this chapter? Thanks.

With all of that in mind, and I realize this is beyond the topic here, but have you identified the earth beast in Revelation? Thanks.

Very nice! The little horn would only come to full power once pagan Rome would see its demise in 476 AD (7:11). Thanks for your comments.

Thanks.

If you get a chance to respond and show how the 7 markers support your opinion that the Holy Spirit is the restrainer and the other 6 elements, I would certainly be interested. Thanks.

Very well. But maybe you should challenge your opinion of the Holy Spirit against these same 7 markers and Timothy, Acts, and John and many others in Daniel. Good luck.

What do you think of the comments made in post #15 by @covenantee ? Could you please comment on whether pagan Rome could be the restrainer? What is being restrained? What happens to pagan Rome in 476 AD? Who succeeded pagan Rome? Does any of this sound familiar? Can you easily connect these...

As you know, there are more than a few interpretations on 2 Thessalonians 2. Most simply throw these verses into the end times and then build a story around it. Satan will come, 7 year tribulation, this is when he will be revealed, and so many other thoughts that have come to surround these...

Very well.

Verse 3 is clear that the falling away and revealing of the man of lawlessness occur before the day of the Lord and our gathering to Christ. But I still have difficulty identifying Paul’s specific restrainer as the Holy Spirit’s restraining influence. Paul does not simply describe a general...

I agree that lawlessness, in the broadest sense, began in Eden. Sin entered the world through rebellion against God. But I do not think that is what Paul is specifically identifying in 2 Thessalonians 2. Paul is not giving a general theology of sin from Genesis to Revelation. He is answering a...

Before we identify the restrainer, I think we need to ask a more basic question: what is the lawlessness Paul says was already at work in his own day? Paul does not say the mystery of lawlessness would only begin at the end of time. He says, “the mystery of lawlessness is already at work.” So...

Yes, perhaps we can focus first on the 7 items listed in section A. So yes, Paul is addressing their question about when Christ will return - did He already come ? So A1 is addressed. Now how about A2 and A3? Thanks.

In 2 Thessalonians 2 Paul gives us enough markers for identifying the term, "lawlessness," the "timing"of when this "lawlessness begins and ends," and the ability to identify the man of lawlessness. If one can identify each of his marker's in Scripture and history, then the field of possible...

The Fourth Kingdom, the Clay, and the Rise of the Little Horn Daniel does not present the fourth kingdom as a static power. Pagan Rome begins as the iron kingdom before the cross, ruling over the covenant people with military strength, legal authority, and imperial dominion. At that stage, the...