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Why do you think it's off the rails steves?

The base is Jesus, Peter. Do you find when Jesus is the factor to interpret scripture, it is faulty?

Jesus is THE Truth. We are not to underestimate this.

The paradigm is faulty CC, subsequently conclusions drawn will also be faulty.

The jumble occurs when one has a skewed understanding of what one thinks it's trying to achieve. The whole burning in hell thing as it is generally understood in Christian circles is a take over of pagan views.

I guess Jesus was right into that stuff!

Looks like idol worship.

Irrespective of what any system says, Jesus says he is THE truth. We could ask, the truth of who or what? I propose he is saying, the truth of God, the way to God and the life of God. Is he a liar?

Truth according to Jesus is a person, namely himself. That's quite a different approach to truth being an abstract idea. I guess we decide who to believe.

agendas!....hmmm, I guess we all have agendas but not all have an interest in truth. Interestingly, Jesus said, 'I am the truth'.....a bold statement if ever there was one. We all will evaluate this and decide to our enlightenment or lack of it, the truthfulness of it.

Tell me of your impressions/ conclusions re this debate Mancunian

I wonder whether you've watched the debate between Richard Dawkins and Ayaan Hirsi Ali? You might find it interesting.

In the early days the disciples saw Jesus through the lens of their Jewish programming. It wasn't until after he was resurrected and spent another 40 days with Jesus that they began to join the dots in a way which emboldened them unprecedentedly. It appears Paul and Luke wrote more about this...

The truths believed by the early disciples was also a dawning. It was the conviction that Jesus was preeminent. This conviction is even now in the minority.

What Is Important to You to Do before You're Gone? I guess it's our doing, either much or little which consumes the human psyche. We evaluate ourselves and others by the 'doing' factor. It stands in contrast to trusting God's doing. We have been gifted with life (no doing of our own), every...

Evidence is never a persuader for those who refuse it. We can see that from the accounts of the religious leaders regarding Jesus. That said, nobody can dismiss or evade the evidence of the Spirit's work on the hearts of all mankind without consequences. When people reject, it is a conscious...

Ever wondered what Paul meant when he said, 'I am all things to all people'?

Gobbledegook Devin, gobbledegook!

Learn primarily of Jesus; his methods, his words, his travels. Be patient with yourself and don't jump to conclusions prematurely. All will fall into a cohesive perspective in time

That which is of first importance is to KNOW that Jesus is your Saviour. Let this knowledge underpin and determine the rightness or wrongness of all you learn.