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Sure, no one is denying that. However, there is something that causes them to do that and that is ~ according to Hebrews 3:12 ~ an evil, unbelieving heart. The heart is what drives the will. Or, in other words, one's free will is always dictated by one's own heart. Imagine a murder trial...

Uh, wait... what? He would have understood a thing, but didn't understand? That strikes me as funny, in a way... I mean, right, he very obviously didn't understand how a person could be born again... and completely missed what Jesus was saying. Yeah, "Are you the teacher of Israel and yet...

Right. Good. Just checkin'... <smile> Oh, it was. Strongly disagree. Jesus is eternal. <smile> That's from eternity to eternity. And the Israelites of old, in Old Testament times, had the prophets, who God spoke through in those days (Hebrews 1:1), to point them to the Savior to come...

John Calvin was not a murderer, and in fact did all he could to keep Michael Servetus from being burned at the stake as he was by the state. He did denounce Servetus for heresy, but heresy was a state crime in that day. The full culpability of Calvin in the execution has been the subject of...

Hmmm. Just curious, Rich, but are you insinuating here that there are some who are born again of incorruptible seed and some who are born again of corruptible seed? Grace and peace to you.

Right, I agree. But if you're accusing me of that ~ which you are ~ that's a problem of yours and yours only, because I'm certainly not doing that. Not sure what you're referring to here. Are you making stuff up? Or just throwing out examples? It is possible to use our own words to explain...

That's a great one, for sure. And just a couple of sentences earlier, Peter wrote this: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to His great mercy, He has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an...

The only way to things that are in opposition to each other can possibly both be true is if the two things are in very different senses. And this is really the problem here concerning "OSAS." If one does not understand "OSAS" correctly, then yes, that is very wrong... <smile> ...but "OSAS"...

Actually, it's written, mailmandan, so that would mean it's libel. But carry on. <smile> I mean... I'm just poking fun atcha... <smile> Grace and peace to you.

Uh-oh. That's... definitely an immediate concern when one starts his analysis of just about anything in God's Word by saying, "All that is saying is"... <smile> Well, Jews of God, yes. But just Christians of Jewish ethnicity, absolutely not. Wait, are you talking about the same Paul that may...

You will. <smile> Even if you now, or at any time past or future, think it necessary to be... re-saved... <smile> ...or that any of your previous "savings," uh, "didn't take." <smile> Grace and peace to you, Jack.

In the (silly) sense that some think of "OSAS" in, yes. it's terrible. But nobody here has propagated it in that sense at all. So the "satanist" and "satanic" accusations don't apply and are really quite ridiculous. See my post (#2590) above, Big Boy, and you should easily be able to see...

Well, now that depends on what you mean by, or how you understand both "depart from the faith" and "in the faith." <smile> More so the latter, really. Observe: Yes, to put this in a tangible way, you can't depart from, say, a house, if you were never in that house, that's true enough. But...

Do you have your eyes closed? <smile> Look at this verse carefully. And this is the New Testament, of course: "Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days He has spoken to us by his Son..." (Hebrews 1:1-2) From that, can you not...

Chronologically speaking, yes, but what He did made salvation possible retroactively as well as proactively... for all time. You believe that, right, Rich? Or not?. Right. Just as it is impossible for man to save Himself without God working salvation in him and giving Him life in Christ...

Absolutely correct, but this same Paul also says the following: "...we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them..." (Ephesians 2:10). "I am sure of this, that He Who began a good work in you will bring it to...

Right, so experientially speaking, yes, some will depart from the faith. But that says nothing about whether they ever really had faith ~ which is God's assurance of things hoped for, and conviction by the Holy Spirit of things not seen, as Hebrews 11:1 says. And... as we see in Hebrews 3:12...

David, you know where I stand with regard to the millennium. But I submit to you that a person believing "God is literally going to engulf the entire planet in fire" doesn't have anything to do with the millennium of Revelation 20. By that, what I mean is, there are people with, I'd say, any...

<chuckles> I'm guessing this is a rhetorical question... <smile> Yeah, what matters is doing it, right? Remembering and proclaiming the Lord’s death until he comes (1 Corinthians 11:26)? I mean, remembering that Christ's body was given for you and His blood shed for you, that He paid the...

Lastly, I'll just throw this out there... What is the Bible's definition of 'faith?' We don't have to guess; Hebrews 11:1 gives it to us explicitly and outright. "Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." This assurance is not of ourselves, else it is no...