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Well, yes, but if we have been born again of the Spirit, our will is then to do the will of the Father... rather than to do the will of our former father, the devil. Remember what Jesus says to a group of unbelieving Jews in John 8 and John 10: "If you were Abraham’s children, you would be...

It might be the Non-Denominational denomination. <smile> Grace and peace to you, CS.

Deserving of it, yes. When we are newly born, we may or may not have sinned outwardly (and probably not), but this is not the issue. The problem is the state of the heart, the nature of the person, the spirit that person even as an infant has in him/her. We are born in this sinful state, just...

Hmmm. Try again... <smile> Well, actually, right, we don't become that way at birth, as if we were not that way before. But we are born that way. "By nature," as Paul says there in Ephesians 2:3. So, naturally. It is the natural human condition. From birth.. even from conception, really...

Well that's quite ironic; I would say the exact same thing to you. It's really not. As I said, difficult to accept, maybe, but not so "complex." This is neither here nor there, really, but misunderstanding this or that in Scripture does not necessarily mean someone is ignorant, or unstable...

You have no idea where I stand and are not even trying to ascertain what I really believe or understand. Or, actually, you may, but in that case twist what I believe and understand into absurdities. Either way, "you've gone off in La-La Land" is how you justfify yourself, apparently, every...

To all these things, yes, as I said, God knows everything in advance of its happening. No one disputes that, I think/hope. But when we speak of God's "those whom God foreknew" as Paul refers to them in Romans 8:29, this foreknowing is in a very different sense. And I was very clear about that...

In the Spirit, yes, and in the same way, He is with us. But eternity, the age to come, is not here yet, Ronald. Sure, but not relevant to what is being discussed here, Ronald. Right. If this is what you've been trying to say all along, then good for you in finally getting that out, Ronald...

I mean, here, you're completely changing what we've been discussing, really. Goodness gracious. So, okay, yes, I agree that even now, even while we "run the race set before us," we can certainly rest in Christ, as our redemption has been accomplished, salvation has been given to us, and, yes...

God's foreknowing, as it is used in the Bible ~ by Paul in Romans 8:29 in particular ~ is not just a cognitive foreseeing or a "looking forward into the future and seeing who will choose Him." In that case, one's salvation would not really depend on God but upon Himself, which is directly...

Grace and peace to you, Fred.

Hm. Such misunderstanding. I mean, I don't disagree with all of what you say, Ronald. But... yeah, that's enough. <smile> Well, I will say, I'm not sure why you stopped in Hebrews 4 after the first few verses. Just a few more and you would have read, "Let us therefore strive to enter...

Continued from above... Okay, well, I don't ask loaded questions. I don't even know what that means. "Suit my particular personal philosophy"? Yeah, no idea. I asked you a yes or no question. It was what it was, and it is what it is. If you're, like, scared to answer it for some reason...

Well, maybe that's your fault, Davy. <smile> You asked what I mean by a "wooden understanding," and what I gave you was very sufficient. Yeah, a movie with wooden dialogue, meaning very shallow, and/or having no real depth or substance... superficial... we might call it "missing the forest...

No need for any kind of lecture, Fred. I'm not here agreeing or disagreeing with you, but again, one of my main points was that many people mistake who really makes up the Israel of God. Ohhhhh... boy... <smile> Hmm. Lumping all these things together in one question is problematic, Fred...

Yes, Davy, I know this was in response to not me but @Luther7 ... But just because someone's understanding of something is to any degree different than yours does not necessarily mean they have not understood that something. I'm not sure what @Luther7 really believes regarding the "thousand...

I know. <smile> This should help: Many times, you'll hear a movie critic's review of a movie, and he/she will say, "this film is filled with wooden dialogue..." So, what we're talking about here, or at least I am, is ~ and really, no offense intended ~ is your wooden understandings of parts...

That does not invalidate in anyway the distinctions; they are what they are. They're just general categories, Ronald, that's all. The civil and ceremonial laws do not apply to us anymore, because we have a "better law" ~ Christ, of course. But the moral laws are absolutely still in effect...

I know. <smile> I do, too, though, just not... woodenly. <smile> Yes it was, Absolutely. A perfect cube. Sure. In principle, Davy, even these "fleshly minded men" would say its height is the same as its length, but say that speaks of the complete, perfect, even symmetrical quality of it...

Well, right, but the Mosaic law consisted of three kinds of laws ~ civil, ceremonial, and moral. Right; see above. No, the Sabbath is still here, but not in the form it was... or when it was, actually,the seventh day of the week. It is now the first day of the week, made that way by Jesus in...