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  1. keithr

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

    I don't know, I've never been in a Kingdom hall. Hell fire is not the main Bible doctrine! If there appears to be Bible verses which are not in harmony with each other then we should assume that we have not correctly understood one or more of those verses. We can only be confident in our...
  2. keithr

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

    John 3:16 (WEB): (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Revelation 20:14-15 (WEB): (14) Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. (15) If...
  3. keithr

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

    Can you love a God who is going to torture millions of people, forcing them to endure agonising pain, for all eternity? Do you agree that that is reasonable justice? God declares justice should be "life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot" (Deuteronomy 19:21)...
  4. keithr

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

    1 Corinthians 15:12-18 (WEB): (12) Now if Christ is preached, that he has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? (13) But if there is no resurrection of the dead, neither has Christ been raised. (14) If Christ has not been raised, then...
  5. keithr

    WHO IS THE ROCK? JESUS OR PETER

    Israel thought that they could gain eternal life by keeping the Law, but Jesus taught them that the Scriptures pointed to him as the only way to obtain eternal life: John 5:39-40 (WEB): (39) “You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and these are they...
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    WHO IS THE ROCK? JESUS OR PETER

    The cross is implied by Jesus in the preceeding 2 verses - John 3:14-15 (WEB): (14) As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, (15) that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Verse 14 is referring to Numbers 21:8-9...
  7. keithr

    WHO IS THE ROCK? JESUS OR PETER

    John 3:16-17 (WEB): (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. (17) For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. Everybody is...
  8. keithr

    POLL: Does the Comma Johanneum(1 John 5:7) belong in the New Testament?

    The Updated American Standard Version (2022) says: 1 John 5:7-8 UASV+ (7) For there are three that testify: N3 (8) the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. N3: The earliest and best manuscripts (א A B (Ψ) Maj syr cop arm eth it) do not contain this spurious...
  9. keithr

    24 elders in Heaven

    1 John 4:1-6 WEB (1) Beloved, don’t believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (2) By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit who confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, (3) and...
  10. keithr

    24 elders in Heaven

    Where did you learn such nonsense, or are you making it up yourself?! These are the only occurrences of the phrase "great tribulation" in the KJV: Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Revelation...
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    24 elders in Heaven

    Hebrews 11:5 WEB (5) By faith, Enoch was taken away, so that he wouldn’t see death, and he was not found, because God translated him. For he has had testimony given to him that before his translation he had been well pleasing to God. Albert Barnes Notes on this verse says: By faith Enoch was...
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    24 elders in Heaven

    Verses 5-6, the first resurrection, is the referring to the resurrection of the Christian Church. They (we) are all changed to be part of a new creation and are resurrected as immortal spirit beings, like Jesus: 2 Corinthians 5:17 WEB (17) Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new...
  13. keithr

    24 elders in Heaven

    So all Christians have become apostate and no Christians will be saved - we're all doomed! Wrong! Paul warned, verse 30, "Men will arise from among your own selves, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them". That doesn't mean that everybody will be deceived. You're...
  14. keithr

    24 elders in Heaven

    That is a false man-made (up) philosophy - it is not Biblical. Show us where in the Bible it mentions anything about a "spiritual resurrection". This is what Paul taught concerning the (one and only) resurrection of Christians - 1 Corinthians 15:35-44 WEB: (35) But someone will say, “How are...
  15. keithr

    24 elders in Heaven

    What nonsense! You're not using common sense! No Christian can be resurrected before they die. We follow in the footsteps of our Lord Jesus - note that he was resurrected after he died, not before! Resurrection is an awakening from death; death means a real physical, human body death, not...
  16. keithr

    24 elders in Heaven

    I believe that the number twenty-four is a reference to the 24 courses of the Old Testament priesthood. The priests were divided into twenty-four groups and these each took a turn at performing the temple priestly duties. So the fact that there are twenty-four elders indicates that they were...
  17. keithr

    24 elders in Heaven

    I disagree. tsml I believe that the 24 elders are representative (symbolic) of the resurrected Church. Revelation 4:4 WEB (4) Around the throne were twenty-four thrones. On the thrones were twenty-four elders sitting, dressed in white garments, with crowns of gold on their heads. They are...
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    Patterns that exist in the KJV only

    A quick look at the video, so you can see a larger view of the chart, reveals that it says: God or God's 4103x [e-Sword makes it 4111] Father or Father's 272x [e-Sword makes it 274] Jesus or Jesus' 980x [e-Sword makes it 977] Christ or Christ's /Christian(s) 574x [e-Sword makes it...
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    Patterns that exist in the KJV only

    The e-Sword Bible software claims that there are 942 verses continaing the word Jesus, although the Online Bible software claims there are 943 verses, but they both agree that there are 983 occurrences of the word Jesus, i.e. some verses contain the word more than once. The Online Bible Greek...
  20. keithr

    Sound Doctrine (Second Coming of Christ in that generation.)

    So many people that post on this forum seem to be revelling in the idea of people being tormented in extreme agony for all eternity. That thought is pure evil, even more evil than what the so called Palestinians did to the Israeli's on 7th October 2023 and what the Nazi's did to the Jews in...