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  1. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    I don't think that you know what that word "Shalom " means. Just an opinion.... Not a fact. And I have not and will not add words to scripture....I've used scripture to prove what was said, why it was said in the way that it was said. No scissors, no writing in the margins to add words...
  2. JohnDB

    Does the "husband of one wife" requirement mean that polygamy was common in the early church?

    Polygamy was common enough in Israel.... But Paul was writing to Timothy, a Hellenistic Jew currently stationed in Ephesus. Greeks/Romans thought the practice of Polygamy was disgusting. The men only had one wife. So why did Paul say this to Timothy who was unfamiliar with plural marriage...
  3. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    This is where a smidgen of knowledge of Hebrew has its perks. Torah....God's Law....sometimes translated as "Book of the Law" as commonly seen in Joshua 1:8. But in original Hebrew it says "Torah"....meaning the exact same thing. What we don't see or customarily know is that in Hebrew...
  4. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    How am I wrong? How is the "Water" not a euphemism for the Law of God? (Which is something Nicodemus knew well) "wash her with the water of the word" "...the earth was formed out of water and by water" (meaning God's words are Law) these are Direct quotes by two different Apostles taught...
  5. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    And this is why I am never going to agree with you. I'm going to agree with the rest of Christianity outside of America. And as far as the question Nicodemus asked.... Most of those in this Born from Above Caste had parents who talked personally with angels and prophets. His parents had...
  6. JohnDB

    Interesting Article and Thesis

    If you look carefully at the definition of the word "cult" you can understand that the word actually applies to all organized religions. So, even Christianity, by definition is a cult. And so it becomes a question of whether it's a positive or negative cult in the control these groups have...
  7. JohnDB

    Where do people get the spiritual authority?

    Kinda odd, to me at least, I can discuss my son online and people readily will believe that I have a son and I'm accurately describing his behavior. (He's a millennial) But I go to talk about what my Heavenly Father is like....and everyone hymns and hawws..... What's the difference? I know...
  8. JohnDB

    Where do people get the spiritual authority?

    Well....as you are talking about...yes. Most definitely. But since I am not going to Fiji anytime soon (if ever) .... Maybe this term "Spiritual Authority " is more of a misnomer than anything else. Which is why we have the expressive term "Priesthood of Every Believer" Greek out of...
  9. JohnDB

    Where do people get the spiritual authority?

    However, If you somehow still believe that I have power over you.... Give me ALL your money including retirement accounts and send it to me now....God needs it. There's a lost soul in Fiji I must convert....I'll be able to meet them while sunbathing on the beach and drinking cool Pina...
  10. JohnDB

    Where do people get the spiritual authority?

    Yes, I have Spiritual Authority. Am I an authority (Spiritual or otherwise) you must adhere to? Ummmm....nope. Not that I'm aware of and especially not a Spiritual one. (I'm not exactly keen on committing Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit) Probably will never be an authority over you in any...
  11. JohnDB

    Where do people get the spiritual authority?

    But you aren't understanding what I am saying. What scripture means by Spiritual authority and what people often believe today is Spiritual Authority are two completely separate things. I thought you wanted to discuss what God meant and intended by Spiritual Authority instead of what most...
  12. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Ok....but Fred, You keep adding words to the scripture to arrive at your theological position. Jesus does not tell Nicodemus that he "needs to become" . It's as simple as that. I refuse to add words to scripture. YMMV.
  13. JohnDB

    Where do people get the spiritual authority?

    Ok.... You might be confused between what Spiritual authority is and what people believe it to be. Spiritual Authority is more along the lines of what we deem to be more of leadership role of willing followers. It's definitely not a dictatorial/subject relationship whatsoever. The...
  14. JohnDB

    Where do people get the spiritual authority?

    And just because other people sin....that in no way licenses your own. Never has before. It doesn't now. God created you to be you. A special creation all unto himself. You must not allow others to influence who God created you to be. We can't "fix" anyone. Can't even "fix" my own...
  15. JohnDB

    Where do people get the spiritual authority?

    Part of love is loving what others love. God loves people. He loves them so much that He sent his son to die for them. Now we can't do that...it would be pointless. But that doesn't mean that we can't do lesser things to help our fellow man draw closer to God. And regardless of what...
  16. JohnDB

    Where do people get the spiritual authority?

    The whole crux of the Gospel message and Faith that we hold is ALL about relationships and how to have positive relationships with God AND your fellow man. No matter what your thoughts on his theologies might be. I completely understand how we might say "Loving and liking God is easy, but...
  17. JohnDB

    Where do people get the spiritual authority?

    I do.... But MY understanding is not relevant at the moment. How you understand what that direct Commandment by Jesus means does matter and is completely relevant to the OP this thread is based upon. It is the crux of the matter in my estimation. And Likely the reason why you are...
  18. JohnDB

    Where do people get the spiritual authority?

    What does "Love your neighbor as yourself " mean?
  19. JohnDB

    Where do people get the spiritual authority?

    What is the Second most important Commandment? How do you read it? Why is it important? What does following it look like? Is it only for a few people or is it for EVERYONE who loves God?
  20. JohnDB

    Where do people get the spiritual authority?

    Spiritual authority exists....despite your beliefs. However it does not exist to control you like you believe it to be. It exists to assist you to see your sin, to help you understand why something is wrong. So that you might repent of your sin. Kinda like when Nathan went to David with...