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  1. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    BTW @Fred J , Most pastors have been shying away from the whole "Born Again" theology. They no longer mention it in pulpits because we are in the information age. And most pastors don't know enough anthropology to know what Jesus meant by "Born from Above". (I do but I'm a bit "different...
  2. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    You are inserting YOUR thoughts into the scriptures. (Based upon the influence of others) Jesus said "you must be born from above". He did not say, "You need to become born again" Jesus wasn't declaring to Nicodemus something he must accomplish, He was declaring the truth of what was a...
  3. JohnDB

    Fake Christians

    One other question I have.... What denotes the difference between a "fake Christian" and a genuine Christian ?
  4. JohnDB

    Fake Christians

    Just as a question here because I'm not in LAW ENFORCEMENT on earth or in Heaven....except within my own household. Doing business with non-believers? Is that the question? The Gains have a business of remodel/restoration of old homes and often use shiplap as a interior finish. (Not my...
  5. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Ummmmm, You writing me a "Dear John" reply? Uggghhhhhh.....we broke up? I didn't know we were even together. But seriously and to the point. When reading scripture you must use hermeneutics. Which is a blend of art and sciences together to understand what they mean. To ignore...
  6. JohnDB

    The happy thread was dead. Long live the happy thread!

    A year ago last February (about 16 months ago) I planted some grape vines. I just harvested a few grapes....enough to make some grape jelly. (About one jar) Wasn't expecting any for a few years yet. I also got a lot of pecans on the pecan trees this year too. But....this has has so much...
  7. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    These are NOT the same....and the correct reading is ALWAYS in the foot notes of modern bibles. Yes, in ENGLISH alone the translation was incorrect for years. And attention was not called to it until roughly late 1960's & 70's when it became popularized by marketing campaigns of proselytizing...
  8. JohnDB

    Is Church Discipline Applicable to us today?

    I didn't watch the video....if I get time I might do it in a few hours. But, I see no need to be vicious or especially cruel to sinners no matter what type of sin they commit. God will execute justice and I believe his justice is very fitting every time. I'm not law enforcement for man or...
  9. JohnDB

    Is Church Discipline Applicable to us today?

    If a married woman or man begins an tawdry affair with another married man or woman....and is public about it all....they gotta be expelled from the membership. Not much choice in the matter. If someone in the congregation begins promoting homosexuality, recreational narcotic use...
  10. JohnDB

    Medicare

    Inflation is one of the worst things our government will do to its people. Worse than firing squads. And there is no one else to blame except for our government. They spent, printed, and borrowed the money that caused it to happen. It makes your hard earned cash savings become...
  11. JohnDB

    Medicare

    Medicare costs are going up soon. Much of the money from the New reduced taxes are going to be going right back out for increased Medicare premiums. Just saying.....don't get used to the extra money.
  12. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Let's review something that no one is discussing. Jesus could speak Greek but wasn't in this instance. He was speaking Aramaic/Hebrew. Meaning that there's a word game at play here. "Bene mayim" and "bene hashamayim". In Greek/Early Latin it was said as "genethe anōthen"...
  13. JohnDB

    The Quranic Dilemma

    Then by their own logic....using the Old Testament and its test for the validity of a prophet (100% accuracy) Mohammed was a false prophet. Mohammed stated that Israel would never again exist. It was destroyed and would remain destroyed forever to never be rebuilt or reborn as a nation...
  14. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Also, not every single word of their conversation was recorded. ONLY the pertinent details that reflected the essence of their conversation. No extra "chatter" to the point that what is recorded might not be said as succinctly as recorded. This isn't a play written out...not a modern book...
  15. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Let's review some basic facts about the scene that this passage describes. Nicodemus is a member of the Sanhedrin. Meaning he was a learned/scholar man AND a leader who represented his city. His education level was higher than most Jews. But he also represented real people. He had to...
  16. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    I saw and read into it what you intended the first time....because it's more in line with what I've heard you say before. :D
  17. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    The Law was the water.... Only God gives good laws. Sweet water. Until the water becomes wine.
  18. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Not a diversion...it's a going back to the OP and point of this thread. Eschatology is a different discussion and topic. Such as water coming from the "rock not cut by human hands". Striking the rock vx speaking to the rock to get water from it. Pretty strong allusions as to how the...
  19. JohnDB

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    In the Old Testament the dichotomy difference between lawlessness and law was stark and observable. The same as watered land (where laws existed) and desert (where no laws existed) Laws equaled life. Lawlessness equaled death. Which is how the symbolism of water equating to Law came...