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Rev 19 is the second coming and it is not by any means the rapture. Besides that, the second coming on white horses also can not be the dead in Christ resurrection because rev 14 gathering is during the trib., which PRECEDES the white horse 2nd coming. That means your doctrine disagrees that the...

Quote;"Noah and his family are representative of the church in the flood story" Good point. They enter the ark' a type of heaven prefood/ pretrib and the door is shut, as in the virgin parable, then as you point out, noah ( as you say the church) returns post trib/ flood. Amen Great pretrib...

Are you trying to transpose the 144k ethnic Jews onto the measurement of the new Jerusalem? I have to tell you, you are going to hurt yourself with that desperate grand canyon leap. No way is that one close to being plausible. In your mind, that somehow voids what is clearly written??????

They are declared in Gods word as fitstfruits and ethnic Jews. So vivid and deliberate. But your doctrine demands the changes of men. Sad

Those pesky 144k. Amazing the creative bible gymnastics that must be invoked for a postrib rapture. Thank you Jesus for your word.

So you defend what is not written. You can not reconcile the fact that ONLY 144k are sealed against the flying scorpions. You assume millions of believers are supposedly here on the planet during the great tribulation and are already sealed. You never addressed that offshoot and side trail of...

I saw where you posted that the gathering of mat 24 by angels from heaven, is the rapture and you placed that timeframe about midtrib or immediately before the 144k are gathered. However, that mat 24 gathering is post wrath. As it clearly states. That gathering is not the rapture as we can see...

It is plain goofy how they need the 144k to be a made up ,spiritual, broad brushed dynamic. But actually, if they are in fact firstfruits and ethnic Jews, that ALONE ,completely destroys all but a pretrib rapture. Thank God for his word.

Bingo. A few do pay attention to what it says.

Then if they are not ethnic Jews, but gentile Christians, it is pointless to only seal 144k believers. False assumption will eventually be exposed. The dilemma is that your doctrine would say christians are already sealed, so they are already protected by the flying scorpions. Once again...

The components are basic in the parables. Takes work and preconceived doctrines to mess them up.

That was put there by me to show you what you do.( note my clue in there " i could care less") I am not here to do what you do. (you are focussed on behavior, but it is your false perception of others and finger pointing ...just absurd) See how easy it is to get a thread derailed over your...

The "anti-pretribbers" have hit a big dilemma. They can not reconcile the 10 virgin parable or rev 14. Their latest postings are simply going after me personally. That always kills the thread when they are undone with scripture. Rev 14 10 virgin parable. Either reconcile Gods word or change...

if you are of the high character you are attempting to project, you would not spend all that time in rabbit trail policing of my character.

You malighned me. You basically lied and insinuated i only mention one thing and my eschatology is without merit. Which i could care less It is a debate and you are defecting in frustration. What is comical is your inability to see you are doing what you accuse others of. Which is most always...

You malighned me. You basically lied and insinuated i only mention one thing and my eschatology is without merit. Which i could care less It is a debate and you are defecting in frustration. What is comical is your inability to see you are doing what you accuse others of. Which is most always...

The theory is by some that Jesus comes only in the second coming on white horses. That is their theory and their starting place. The bible says much much different The white horses are post trib and post wrath. We see other comings for a fact. Rev 14 is an example. Jesus placing the rapture...

maybe he can console your silly offence at me. Plain ridiculous. You have NEVER addressed the rapture time frame. Nor can your teachers. They , like you, omit it and deflect as your posts demonstrate.

All you are doing is pure deflection. If you are so much greater in character than me, then brag on and paint yourself as superior and Christlike. Look up the "Beam in eye" dynamic then get back with something on topic. You seem to have some "wounded spirit" that makes you think you need to...

i don't know your position. If you struggle with the time frame Jesus laid out in the rapture then omit the rapture verses. BTW what dangerous sentiment is involved in the parables? Are you not aware that each has a message?