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I think I have seen it more than once, but I cannot recall any specific ones besides the one I shared here. If I see that gentleman again I will pay more attention to the verse he has on his arm.

Have you considered that free gift being Christ? John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. Now do you think the sinner has power over the Father to leave His grasp? Do you think God gives according to the sinner's heart? Is...

Thanks for joining the discussion, Ronald. Apart from God, as in, not controlled by God. When it is understood this way, it is seen that there is no false dichotomy here.

As the Scripture says, Romans 9:11 For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I...

I figure we're probably about to see a discussion unfold about what "all things" are relative to.

You said, "nothing spectacular in being sovereign, when you have everyone hard-wired to do your will". My question for you is whether or not it is spectacular for God to do something when there is no one around Him that has a free will from Him. If the answer to my question is negative, then...

Where? Then you cannot just flippantly say that God does not exist. But neither of us have said those things, so what is the point of this? I disagree. Do you perhaps have Scripture showing this that I can consider?

Thanks for responding. If God chose to not foreknow something, then He was not all knowing. Why would our universe have been destroyed a long time ago? Do you perhaps figure that God's power is only destroying and not sustaining? Genesis says that God rested on the seventh day, but Jesus...

@farouk How do you pronounce Farouk?

What are your thoughts on that verse, Farouk?

I enjoy how it shows that God is God over the liar yet is not the liar himself.

It's like the difference between forming clay in your hand and watching clay form itself.

1 Kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

It is all I need. Ok. Please demonstrate it by making the Bible say "Renniks is wrong in his theology".

2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. 1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. Psalm 145:17 The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy...

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it? Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Do you suggest David's sin was the state of his heart and not in taking the census?

You offer no argument on the matter that opposes my position and you appeal to nonsense towards a Strawman. God doesn't act like Satan, He controls Satan along with everything else.

I am comfortable with your disagreement. Consider Renniks' words.

What do you mean, Farouk?