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  1. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    How does Jesus dying to redeem the saints deny His incarnation? You are speaking foolish nonsense. I understand and disagree with Universal Atonement, but I don't make wild and unfounded claims about what my Lutheran and Wesleyan Brothers in Christ believe. I just point out the consequence...
  2. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Merriam-Webster will be disappointed to hear this. So was this just "click-bait"? Since you now claim to KNOW what it means, but just want to argue about it and convince me that I am wrong.
  3. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Then you will probably remember the scene in the book where the Pigs moved into the house and the animals went to check the rule they remembered that prohibited such a thing, but the Pigs had edited the rules (changed the past) to add "in a bed" thus creating a loophole whereby THEIR violation...
  4. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Yes, I can, but I won’t. Your original challenge was for a definition of what the term meant (provided) and an explanation of how it worked (also provided). Beating a dead horse in a pretext of changing anyone’s mind is pointless. There are many good books on Reformed Theology, I suggest the...
  5. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Have you read “Animal Farm”? (It impacts whether or not you will understand the explanation.)
  6. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Isn’t it fascinating how EVERYONE that rejects TULIP claims at least ONLE of the Doctrines is Biblical and Correct but then presents verses (typically plucked from context) to prove that the other LETTERS are non-Biblical and Incorrect … yet they seldom agree with each other about which letter...
  7. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Respectfully, I am not here to convince you of Biblical Truth (that is the job of the Holy Spirit and I am not He). You requested a definition and explanation of what the term “Limited Atonement“ meant and how it worked. I provided a definition and an explanation. You are free to disbelieve...
  8. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Revelation 7:9 DOES reference the saving of a multitude from ”every nation …” which is what the atonement ACCOMPLISHED. It is a Biblical definition of ”the world” that does not mean “every person without exception” and imply UNIVERSALISM as some definitions of “world” and “atonement” embrace.
  9. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Limited Atonement: Therefore, WE are not afraid to believe, proclaim and firmly hold that Jesus Christ came into the the world to accomplish exactly what He did accomplish … to save “a multitude which no man can number” [Revelation 7:9]. Furthermore, because of this, WE believe that every...
  10. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    … but apparently it has learned apologetics from reading “Animal Farm”.
  11. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    So Protestants are still anathema and Catholics can still buy indulgences? (While I try not to hate the church, I still find those members that behave deliberately boorish to be annoying and choose to dislike them as individuals on their own “lack of merit”. You tempt me to change my position...
  12. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    That is a strange distinction to make when I addressed my comment specifically to the NON-imutability of the RCC (that stands for Roman Catholic Church, you know ... as in the Roman/Latin Rite). I tried to present it as neutral as possible as I am not a fan of "hating" the RCC. I merely...
  13. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Nothing, I read the LAW ... it needs to go to the TEMPLE. ;)
  14. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Actually, it isn’t. The RCC has changed its position on issues over the years. People were once burned by the church for translating the Bible into vernacular languages … does the RCC still enforce Latin Only Bibles and Mass? Priests were once allows to marry.
  15. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Revelation 7:9-10 [NASB95] 9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; 10 and they...
  16. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    John 3:11-13 [NKJV] 11 "Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 "If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 "No one has ascended to heaven but...
  17. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Nothing at all. I have no interest in verses plucked from their context. This verse isn’t even a complete sentence, you have plucked a PHRASE out of a sentence to build a doctrine upon. That is a very poor foundation. I suspect that the entire paragraph that it was taken from says something...
  18. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    I am a bit reluctant to embrace the lake of fire. It is not a matter of personal repulsion, my opinions are irrelevant. I am wary of taking anything in Revelation (with as radical symbolism as a woman with celestial bodies being attacked by a dragon) and treating it as 100% literal. To apply...
  19. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Luke 16:19-31 certainly appears as if Jesus taught it as literal.
  20. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Proverbs 14:12 [NKJV] There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death. John 3:14-21 [NKJV] 14 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16...