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  1. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    1 Timothy 4:10 [NLT] This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers. Matthew 5:45 [NLT] In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight...
  2. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    βασανίζω: [imperfect ἐβασάνιζον]; 1 aorist ἐβασάνισα; passive [present βασανίζομαι]; 1 aorist ἐβασανίσθην; 1 future βασανισθήσομαι; (βάσανος); 1. properly, to test (metals) by the touchstone. 2. to question by applying torture. 3. to torture (2 Macc. 7:13); hence, 4. universally, to vex with...
  3. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    You think God was a liar. God told you what the choices are and what the consequences of those choices are. Deny His warning at your own peril.
  4. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Most of that was probably their personalities ... Spurgeon was called to be an Evangelist/Pastor while Calvin was a Theologian/Scholar. Spurgeon was probably more graceful that R.C. Sproul for the same reason. Part of it was probably the 1800's vs the 1600's. Luther was a Pastor and his...
  5. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    I would like to offer a Scriptural challenge to this "children's Sunday school" caricature of Jesus and His Disciples: Matthew 10: 11 “Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. 12 And when you go into a household, greet it. 13 If the...
  6. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    What you really mean is: "The way of the Lord is not fair." [Ezekiel 18:25; Ezekiel 18:29]
  7. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    The Greek Orthodox Church, which has read, written and spoken the language since before it was a Church and before the Apostles penned the autographs, has a perfect understanding of their language (just as English Scholars have a perfect understanding of Shakespearean English) and these native...
  8. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Torment is to be created for ONE (and only one) purpose, and to revolt against your creator and forever be condemned to a meaningless existence because you were created to be an eternal being. Torment is to finally understand how great is the love that God had and how great was the price that...
  9. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    sigh ... being like the Bereans is a good thing: Acts of the Apostles 17:10-12 [NIV] 10 As soon as it was night, the believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in...
  10. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Romans 8:28-30 contradicts YOUR understanding of predestination. Romans 9 contradicts YOUR understanding of predestination. Ephesians 1:4-6 contradicts YOUR understanding of predestination. Ephesians 2:1-5 contradicts YOUR understanding of predestination. Your argument has been held up to the...
  11. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    I quoted SCRIPTURE verbatim and you are rejecting the WORD OF GOD and claiming it as the teaching of Calvin. It is YOU who should beware ... rejecting posted scripture as heretical teaching is never a good sign.
  12. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    I almost NEVER speak of Calvin for the simple reason that I am largely ignorant of his writings. I have never read them. I arrived at the 4 points of the Doctrines of Grace I presented in John 6:44 from reading scripture and trying to reconcile my personal salvation experience with the...
  13. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Yup ... John 12: (Jesus said he will draw all) Jesus answered and said, “This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” This He...
  14. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Hard pass on that. I suggest that you start a topic on it. The best way to begin would be to clearly define both terms, preferably with scripture to support your definitions. Then we would have a chance to understand what you are claiming. What you really mean, is that you have never met a...
  15. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    You do realize that the heart of Reformed thinking is that EVERYONE uses their FREE and FALLEN will to choose NOT to trust God 100% of the time ... that is why God must DRAW SOME. Ephesians 2 puts it this way: "Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the...
  16. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Jesus didn't follow your pastor's advice. Our knowledge of judgement and being cast into eternal fire and gnashing of teeth comes from the lips of Jesus. Isn't that curious. [That said, TULIP isn't a tool for evangelism any more than the doctrine of the Trinity is a tool for Evangelism. If...
  17. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    I agree, but WHAT has that to do with understanding and explaining the meaning of John 6:44 within the context of John 6:41-51? [You really want to discuss anything and everything EXCEPT the one verse that I presented to refute your claim that "Calvinism" is contra Biblical (a "cult").] So to...
  18. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    think … think … think … I think your line of reasoning, if applied to John 6:44, renders Jesus a liar (disqualifying him from being our savior) and renders the verse in its context (as well as several other verses in John 6) utterly nonsensical … John 6:43-44 ”Quit complaining, you can’t come...
  19. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Instead, stick to the subject of your denial of the clear statements of Jesus about the Father in the Gospel of John. How about we revisit what Jesus ... GOD INCARNATE ... actually spoke in John 6:44 which we Reformed affirm as true and you accuse us of being a "cult" for so doing. How about...