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    How do Amils typically deal with Revelation 19:7 in light of Revelation 21:2,9-10?

    If the NJ is the bride that has to mean that the church is the NJ if the church is the bride. This is true if one can demonstrate from Scripture why the bride returned back to heaven after she left heaven in ch 19, in order to once again be seen descending from heaven in ch 21. Amils have the...
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    I will raise them on the last day.

    The answer to that is real simple and plainly obvious. Unless of course one's doctrinal bias' are preventing one from seeing the obvious. Had Adam lived more than 1K years that would indicate that God had lied to him when He told him this--for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt...
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    8 days, the 8th day leading to a new beginning.

    Is the issue here that you are perhaps SDA? The Sabbath is the 7th day. The 8th day is not the 7th day. Therefore, nothing has changed about the Sabbath. It is still the 7th day and it is still Saturday not Sunday. But even so, Sunday simply represents a new beginning is all, and that it is the...
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    How do Amils typically deal with Revelation 19:7 in light of Revelation 21:2,9-10?

    Then we are back to where we began, meaning the OP, since it's absurd that the bride of Christ descends out of heaven twice at different times. No one can deny that the bride is descending out of heaven in Revelation 21. Only Preterists might deny that the bride is descending out of heaven in...
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    How do Amils typically deal with Revelation 19:7 in light of Revelation 21:2,9-10?

    Why would one of Jesus' name be called the everlasting Father? How can that not imply the father of sons and daughters? How can any father's sons and daughters be their bride? Prove that with a real world example. IOW, why use real world imagery then contradict what it would look like in the...
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    8 days, the 8th day leading to a new beginning.

    In the OP, I’m basically arguing Premil vs. Amil, and my main point is simple: the 7th day in Scripture always marks the end of something, never the beginning of something new. A normal 7 day week proves the point. The 7th day (Saturday) closes the week; the new week begins on Sunday. Unless...
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    How do Amils typically deal with Revelation 19:7 in light of Revelation 21:2,9-10?

    Jesus, is God, right? Look what happens if we take the following passage to be meaning Jesus. Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Obviously, overcomers, thus the church, can't be the bride if they are the son. Therefore...
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    How do Amils typically deal with Revelation 19:7 in light of Revelation 21:2,9-10?

    In regards to what Chatgpt submitted per post #122, I then asked it this. ------------------------ ME: Let's assume that the way you reasoned that and the conclusions you arrived at, that not one single person past or present ever arrived at those conclusions, that no one ever interpreted it in...
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    8 days, the 8th day leading to a new beginning.

    The irony is this, since the idea behind these 'haha; is obviously in order to discredit someone. You know that thumbs up icon under one's username, well all these 'haha' actually help that thumbs up number increase. At this rate I might be up to a thousand thumbs up in no time. Just this day...
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    How do Amils typically deal with Revelation 19:7 in light of Revelation 21:2,9-10?

    It would then be more logical to conclude that the mother of her children is also the wife of her children? I used to have a mother, except she is no longer with us. She was never my wife, she was my mother and that I was one of her children. When it comes to interpreting, in general, isn't the...
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    How do Amils typically deal with Revelation 19:7 in light of Revelation 21:2,9-10?

    With post #120 in mind, here is the reasoning and insight I was asking Chatgpt about per post #120. --------------------- Chatgpt: Revelation 19 and Revelation 21 — How They Fit Together At first glance, this might seem to mean the Bride is the saints themselves. But let’s look carefully at...
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    How do Amils typically deal with Revelation 19:7 in light of Revelation 21:2,9-10?

    Since I converse with Chatgpt at times, I then asked it the following, since it is relevant to the topic of this thread. Is this insight and the reasoning of these things yours, or are you basically echoing someone else's reasoning and insight? --------------------- Chatgpt: That’s an...
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    I will raise them on the last day.

    Speculation doesn't cut it. So what Scriptures prove what you are alleging? There cannot be a mark in the meantime nor in the past until all of the following is fulfilled first. Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and...
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    How do Amils typically deal with Revelation 19:7 in light of Revelation 21:2,9-10?

    If you are referring to the OP where in the OP did I even bring Preterib into this to begin with? The OP has zero to do with Pretrib or even Post trib. The OP is in regards to what happens once Christ returns in the end of this age. Obviously, once Christ returns in the end of this age, all...
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    I will raise them on the last day.

    The following is a link to cross refs of Zechariah 14:16. I'm not seeing anything in Isaiah 4 listed. https://biblehub.com/crossref/zechariah/14-16.htm ------- And here is a link to another cross ref site. I'm not seeing anything in Isaiah 4 listed there either...
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    I will raise them on the last day.

    What in the world are you talking about, answer the question? I did answer the question. Just because you might disagree with my answer does not mean I didn't answer your question. I already told you, Zechariah 14:16-19 explains who some of these are. You of course are free to show why Zechariah...
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    I will raise them on the last day.

    Is Zechariah 14:16-19 not in your Bible? Is or is not the OT holy writ as well? Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall...
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    I will raise them on the last day.

    Where does it ever say or imply in that passage that the lost are meant as well? Since when do the lost ever do any of this-- eats His flesh and drinks His blood and has eternal life? Premils typically apply John 6:54 to that of during the 2nd coming. Then apply the resurrection of the lost to...
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    8 days, the 8th day leading to a new beginning.

    Enemies? No way in a million years do I see Amils as enemies. There is not one single Amil that I have I conversed with that I hate. We might not agree about some things, but that is no reason to hate anyone. But still, 7 never means the beginning of something, it means the end of something...
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    8 days, the 8th day leading to a new beginning.

    Chatgpt in regards to an Amil not a Chiliast. Yet some in this thread act like they don't know what I'm talking about, that what I'm talking about is laughable and makes no sense. Especially @WPM. How can he not know what I'm talking about since he is supposed to be the expert around here in...