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Why are you bringing some of these things up? None of these things apply to me since I'm not Pretrib, I'm Post trib. Pretribbers might be Premils but not all Premils are Pretribbers. In my view, regardless that I'm Premil, Christ only returns 1 time, not numerous different times. What you asked...

There could be a reason for that since there are two views involved, Pretrib and Post trib. And that it apparently assumed Pretrib in this case. Had it assumed Post trib instead, you would have received a different answer since what might fit Pretrib can't fit Post trib as well. Consult post #84...

Revelation 19, for one, obviously involves Christ's return. Can you point out in that ch where we ever see Christ defeating Satan once and for all at that particular time? If I can see that in that chapter I guess I need to literally abandon Premil and become Amil, since that would undeniably...

Of course it has significance since the first of the week represents a new beginning, so to speak. Currently it has been almost an entire 6k years since Adam, and that it is absurd that the 2nd coming is not near. Of course it is. No way is the world going to continue another 500 years, another...

Of course though, that can be an option as well. Just because Chatgpt neglected to mention it doesn't mean it can't be an option as well. There was a time in the past where I was entertaining that maybe Revelation 19:11-19 is connected with the following, where the following I don't take to be...

Ok, so I then asked Chatgpt exactly that. And that the arguments for it involving the same event pertain to post trib. The arguments against it being the same event pertain to Pretrib. If one only has those 2 options to choose from, obviously everyone who is not Pretrib is going to choose the...

An earlier conversation with Chatgpt today. --------------------------- Me: It seems to me that when heaven is opened in Revelation 19:11, that that then explains this---them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him(1 Thessalonians 4:14 ) --------------------------- Chatgpt: Yes —...

Just today I asked Chatgpt the following. Me: I could be wrong here but I seem to recall reading in the past that some early Amils took the thousand years in the literal sense, except they applied it to the here and now rather than after the 2nd coming. Then once a literal thousand years came...

If you don't get the logic in that, then I don't know what to tell you. I'm not saying Christ rose 8 days later. I'm saying He rose during the beginning of a new week, Where in Jewish thinking the beginning of a new week would basically be the 8th day following the ending of a previous week...

The way you tend to be reasoning some of this tends to make John out a liar since he indicated that he saw the bride of Christ descending out of heaven in both ch 19 and 21. Except in ch 19 it is implied by putting 2 and 2 together, while in Revelation 21 it comes right out and says so. One...

Hmmm---maybe we have something in common then since I too have thought along those lines. I don't know how you arrived at that yourself until you tell me first but my reasoning went like such. Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no...

The main point I'm trying to make over all throughout this thread, that unless one disputes that the bride of Christ descends out of heaven with Christ when He comes, in this case meaning the dead in Christ who are in heaven now in a disembodied state, this indicates that the bride of Christ is...

It's equally obvious you have no clue what you are talking about since I am a Premil myself, and that I reject Pretrib. I'm post trib. It really makes a lot of sense then that I would insist all Premils are Pretribbers. Where are you coming up with lies like that? Certainly not from anything I...

Here's the issue with that idea unless these Amils in question are Catholics, or maybe agree with Catholics, that it's ok to pray to passed on saints, therefore, it's perfectly reasonable that while in a disembodied state, saints are helping Christ fulfill Revelation 19:11-21 spiritually during...

In your opinion why does John need to have heaven opened in Revation 19:11 in order to see what he saw? What is the significance of heaven being opened in relation to what he saw? Throughout Revelation John sees numerous things taking place in heaven, yet it never says heaven needed to be opened...

And you miss the point as well if it has indeed been almost an entire 6k years since Adam was created and that Christ returns, say within the next 50 years, that then can't be a coincidence, therefore, there has to be something to this 7 day theory in question. When Christ died then rose, for...

Yet it has everything to do with Scripture except some of you are too doctrinally biased to have noticed. How is that even logical that no one can determine the day of his creation when all one has to do is simply find a verifiable date then count backwards from that until we arrive at Adam...

As the OP plainly shows, there are 7 days involved during a week. The 7th day, the last day of the week is never the beginning of a new week, it is always the end of the present week. Currently we are approaching day 7 and that 7 days have to be fulfilled before there can be an eighth day. 8...

IMO, to be seated on the right hand of God is a position that doesn't necessarily only involve one location when being seated in that position. I'm pretty certain that once Christ leaves heaven He is still seated in that position until after the GWTJ is fulfilled, then 1 Corinthians 15:28 has...

As we already know, Amils insist the millennium pertains to the here and now. What I am thinking is this, though. There are 7 days in a week and that the 8th day is always a new beginning of a new week. Sunday--day 1 of the week Monday--day 2 of the week Tuesday--day 3 of the week...