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    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    Your "guarantee" of this link putting an end to preterism is a mere assumption. I found this Dallas Theological Seminary dissertation as full of holes as Swiss cheese - no disparagement to my favorite cheese intended. To be equally impartial, I also find Dr. Kenneth Gentry's dissertation to...
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    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    The Scriptures themselves tell us which prophecies were fulfilled and which were not. Daniel was told to "seal up" the prophecies he was given until "the time of the end" (Dan. 12:4 & 9) which was going to be the "latter days" of Israel as a people (Dan. 10:14) when the power of that holy...
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    IS THE RAPTURE FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

    I would like to hear your explanation of how Elijah could be in heaven in God's presence and still be writing that 2 Chron 21:12 letter to King Jehoram some 10 years or so after his whirlwind transport. There is more than one heaven. There is the atmospheric heaven of the skies surrounding...
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    IS THE RAPTURE FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

    You should look a little more carefully at the context of these prophecies. These conditions found in Isiah 11:6-7 would be taking place "In that day that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left from Assyrian, and from Egypt...
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    IS THE RAPTURE FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

    Christ does not have to be bodily ON the earth to be ruling OVER the earth. He presently "rules in the midst of His enemies", as God said He would do in Psalms 110:2. All believers who have bowed the knee to Christ our Savior and Lord are evidence that Christ's kingdom rule is ongoing on...
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    IS THE RAPTURE FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

    Enoch was translated so that he didn't die physically, but Elijah died just as any other man is appointed to do. Neither man ascended to heaven to be in God's presence in the OT. Elijah was only taken by the whirlwind to another place on earth, from which place almost ten years later he wrote...
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    Every rapture position is new

    Correction: NO, I never wrote that Enoch was allowed access to heaven and God's presence. NOBODY - not even Enoch - was allowed to do that before Christ did this on His resurrection-day ascension, when He became our consecrated Great High Priest. Until humanity had a representative High...
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    Every rapture position is new

    I told you that I was quoting verbatim from Brenton's Septuagint. Exactly. No alterations from what that version states. It says twice that Elijah was taken "AS IT WERE into heaven". Remember, in this Brenton's Septuagint, this Elijah account is found in IV Kings 2:1 and 11. Perhaps you are...
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    Every rapture position is new

    Please don't misquote me. I never wrote that Elijah was "translated" to another location on earth. I wrote that Elijah was taken by the whirlwind into the skies (which is the first "heaven" of this earth's atmosphere - as opposed to the third heaven where God dwells). I wrote that he was...
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    Every rapture position is new

    I am not ignoring John 8:51. I am putting it alongside the rest of the Scriptures, with which it MUST reconcile. "And so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" is pretty clear that all mankind must pass through the physical death process as a result of sin, since "there is not a...
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    Every rapture position is new

    The Hebrews 9:27-28 text is speaking of the physical death process which Christ experienced ONCE only. All mankind is appointed to experience the same "ONCE to die" physical death process, just like Christ did. Those who are the elect of God are given eternal life of the spirit while in this...
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    Every rapture position is new

    That phrase about the Rechabites never lacking "a man to stand before me for ever" is not speaking of these Kenites being enabled to ascend to heaven. The descendants of the Rechabites are mentioned among the scribes in 1 Chron. 1:55 who came into Canaan when the Israelites entered the land...
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    Every rapture position is new

    Errrr, not really my opinion. Scripture defines this status of the "FIRST-begotten" and "FIRST-born from the dead" titles as Christ being the FIRST to ever ascend to the Father in a glorified human body form. Psalms 2's prophecy about Christ's resurrection-day ascension compares with Paul's...
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    Every rapture position is new

    "As in Adam, ALL die". "It is appointed unto men ONCE to die". Since I am "In Adam" as one of his descendants, my physical body will pass through the physical death process, but my spirit has already been given eternal life, which will be "present with the Lord"at my physical death. While in...
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    Every rapture position is new

    It is impossible for resurrected humanity to appear before God's throne without a Mediator between them and God. Christ had to establish this Great High Priest Mediator role FIRST, before any resurrected saints could ascend to heaven and stand before God face to face. It is why Satan was cast...
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    Every rapture position is new

    Did you take note of the Revelation 15:8 text which strictly prohibited anyone from entering heaven's temple until the 7 plagues had been poured out? And did you take note of the 2 Chron. 21:12 verse which states that Elijah was writing that letter to King Jehoram - loooong after his whirlwind...
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    Every rapture position is new

    Enoch was TRANSLATED so that he would not see death. Nobody before or after that has ever or will ever be translated to avoid the physical death process. Enoch was unique in this regard. God selected Enoch as the single individual who would experience this translation change, which was for a...
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    IS THE RAPTURE FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

    All those Scriptures I gave, (and some I did not include, such as the resurrection prophesied by Daniel 12:1-2) were referring to the AD 70 "rapture" to heaven of ONLY the resurrected believers. Daniel 12:11-13 pinpoints the exact timing and date of that AD 70 resurrection event in which Daniel...
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    Every rapture position is new

    That is not even possible, according to what Revelation 15:8 tells us. The temple in heaven was not opened for resurrected humanity to enter it until after the 7 plagues were poured out. "...and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were...
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    Every rapture position is new

    This is the common assumption. But this assumption is an addition to the Scriptures, which never promise this kind of translation-type change for the living believers who have not physically died yet. It is the DEAD bodies of the believers that are changed to the incorruptible and immortal...