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I see, so you admit those Rom 9 scripture contradict your understanding of other scrips. Scripture doesn't contradict scripture (because God doesn't contradict Himself)............once we understand and rightly divide them. If we see contradiction it's because there is something we aren't...

Perhaps you and @quietthinker would kindly respond to the Romans 9:13-24 scriptures I posted, instead of ignoring them. page 12, post #239. Thanks.

interesting observation I believe Judas is an example of what scripture warns about....someone who having tasted the powers of the world to come, still chose to fall, and couldn't be restored to repentance. Are you saying in the end the whole lost world is going to try and commit mass...

A human would have no right to do that but the Lord God Almighty who created us the whole world and us mere folks does have the right. Scripture explains your objection if you would only acknowledge that the Lord is God and far greater and above what and who He created: Rom 9:13-24 As it is...

You are not rightly dividing those scriptures which you are choosing to think are saying that all will be saved in the end........that is not what they mean. All who believe will be saved. Jesus is the saviour of all men......means He is the saviour of both Jew and Gentile, not just the...

How does it not make sense? Other scriptures agree: Psa 37:37-38 Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace. But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off. Isa 1:27-28 Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and...

And all those scriptures that speak of destruction, perdition, perishing, wrath, gehenna/hellfire, vengeance etc? Will you just keep on ignoring them? Don't we need the whole counsel of God to be able to rightly divide what is being conveyed? Some of those scriptures you have posted have been...

I hope we are not of those who assume that if something doesn't make sense to us, that it cannot possibly be true. The truth is in the word of God. The bible says "No man can see God and live".......and at His coming it says "every eye will SEE Him". His glory will be revealed in all it's...

Well you just feel free to bring the scriptures that say He will not incinerate His enemies in the end. Look forward to seeing them. Thanks.

Amen, exactly. Unfortunately man-centred gospels abound. Doctrines like that make God out to exist to serve man instead of man existing for God, to serve and worship Him.

Maybe. Certain things might be eternal in a manner of speaking from heaven's point of view.

I wonder if it speaking to the condition of the lost - alluding to seeking the wrong mountain/rock to cover them.....instead of finding shelter in the cleft of the true Rock/mountain of Christ: Isa 30:1-3 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and...

He is what He is........purity (holiness) that cannot abide with impurity, and consumes it from before His presence. Like light destroys darkness. And He has been just and righteous to give mankind plenty of warning and time to repent. But the bible says His Spirit will not strive with man...

Not all Christians believe God "fries billions for eternity". I believe there is torment to a degree and for a time that is exactly fitting for the extent and degree of the individual's sin/iniquity.....because God is perfectly just. Maybe that is pictured by where it says men will be trying...

That sounds like a good study. I wonder if the cutting in two is a picture of the spirit being severed from the body/soul = death.

You choose to ignore so many scriptures....or perhaps are not familiar with some of them. The bible says upon death, the human "spirit returns to God who gave it"....it seems that the human spirit is eternal ("He has set eternity in our hearts") ...... and Jesus said we are to fear Him Who can...

Yes, in a manner of speaking. He doesn't have just one gear. Much like we humans who are made in His image don't have just one gear to apply the same in every circumstance. And He must stay true to His character......He is Who He is..."I am that I am". We have been well warned that what He...

Not at all. The Lord doesn't change. The judgment/condemnation (curse) of the old covenant was to prepare the way for the new covenant of mercy. You see, there can be no mercy except that there also be judgment, otherwise mercy isn't mercy. Think about that. Mercy means not giving out the...

Amen.. There seems to be two evils in the land these days brother. One is that governments/judicial systems are trying to be the church in showing mercy, and the church is being involved in government trying to be a law maker and enforcer. Things are mixed up......governments are supposed to...

Amen. And it also says "the fear of the Lord is to hate sin", especially our own. And "Who does God esteem? He who trembles at His word.".....takes Him and His word seriously, not treating Him with "lightness", lightly. Gal 6:7-8 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man...