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Thank you.

I don't know what your point is.

You are the one who wrote what, but the Scripture says whom. Romans 8:29. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Scott Downey said: For...

Scott there is no Scripture that says all believers are predestinated. Only the Apostles. Ephesians 1 is to the Ephesians in his greeting, but his apology of his authority is because He was chosen to be an Apostle by Jesus, Himself, and was predestinated along with the other Apostles who were...

If you are absolutely sure I error, I would appreciate it. But I'm not in error. Just because we believe in Jesus doesn't mean I could never apostate. The Father hand picked the Apostles out of the nation of Israel. Scott, I'm not saying that you can never be sure of your salvation. I, myself...

Immediately, I saw you change a word from God's word. Why? It is WHOM not WHAT. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. From the beginning of time God knows who becomes conformed to the image of...

This I'm pointing out is something the Apostle uses in his writings. He was Hebrew/Semitic and thus uses Semitic writing styles. You can take it or leave it without being nasty about it. We need to love one another if you call Jesus the Christ.

Hi RJ, I'm talking of the specific words that have to do with the Father giving/gives/gave to the Son/Jesus. They are key words that pertain only to the Apostles. As far as we who believe in Jesus we are predestined to be conformed to the image of his son. I like Romans 8 for that too. But the...

Not sure I know if there was a question here.

Specifically?

What I said in the OP is how John uses "key words." In his gospel he signifies that the "Father gave" him his apostles. In his epistle he uses the word "say" to show fake Christians. They say, but do not walk. Of course in Ephesians 1 he is writing to the Ephesians, but then he introduces...

I haven't seen the words "us" or "you" as key words. It has to do with the words the Father gives to the Son. Matthew another key word that John uses is in his first epistle chapter one and two. The word "say" denotes a liar that says one thing but does another. See 1 John 2:4 for proof...

Ephesians 1-12 shows that those who first believed were predestined. They are the apostles. Then in John 17 we see that in Jesus' prayer for the Apostles, those the Father gives to the Son were the apostles. In John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me...

We keep the New Covenant commandments. 1 John 3:23-24 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides...

I agree and is what I also teach. The problem is many in the church, including their pastors and teachers are not born again and interpret scriptures like Romans 7:14-25 and 1 John 1:8 as their justification for still desiring to sin. They've never experienced the freedom from those desires like...

Yes, it is so sad when they pick verses out of the context of the whole like Romans 7 that shows mankind before the law, during the law, and after the law.

Absolutely, my fellow teacher. But the Church doesn't know we are free, at least, those of us who have been born again of the Spirit. Proverbs 23:7 "For as a man THINKS in his heart, so is he." If it is pounded into your mind from the pulpit that "we will sin until we die and receive our new...

Romans 7:14-25 were those UNDER THE LAW. When? Ever since Moses gave to law to the children of Israel. Before that sin was not counted to man's account because "where there is no law there is no sin." Romans 7:9-10 "9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived...

This is talking of the sin nature we inherited due to Adam's sin. Jesus takes away the sin in our sin nature, freeing our spirit and soul from sin as we are born again of His Spirit. Another example of the removal of sin from our nature is Christ circumcising us without hands. Note in a regular...

It is because of the church fathers at the beginning of the Reformation who did not read the Word in context. Romans chapters one through eight is one teaching on the Old Covenant vs. the New Covenant (the gospel), which is Law vs. Spirit. They took verses in chapter 3 through 5 (4 especially)...