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  1. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    I understand and I appreciate your honesty. Did you check out that list I gave you about who Jesus is in every book of the Bible? It's not something I made up, but I though it was pretty good. How about you? What do you think about it? Maybe it's something we can both agree on?
  2. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Well, none of that has anything to do with the rule I quoted, irrespective of what you think I believe about Jesus. The rule clearly states nobody can call someone who identifies as Christian a non-Christian. You keep on doing that, indicating your lack of respect for the owners of this forum...
  3. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    I was checking the rules to make sure I wasn't running afoul of them. I didn't see anything that would indicate I did, but I did see this: "Do not state or imply that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christians." I wouldn't think of...
  4. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Interestingly enough, I think Peter implies all Christians also have a divine nature. Actually he straight out says we do. 2 Pet 1:4, Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is...
  5. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Well then, instead of just telling me to Google something, why not point me directly to the source document you are using? It'd save me some time. Thanks in advance. As far as you not thinking I'm a Christian, I'm fine with whatever you think I am, and I forgive you for any slander you may have...
  6. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    And which posts would those be? As I said, I have no problems with following the rules, one of which says we can't say Jesus isn't God. So I don't recall saying Jesus was not God. Now if my saying Jesus is the son of God (which the scriptures clearly say, I'm just quoting them) means to you that...
  7. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    I'm sorry. I thought you said Jesus was not of this world and that you were referring to John 8:23. I guess I was mistaken though. Maybe I was thinking of something somebody else said. Things can get moving pretty fast around here! :)
  8. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    To clear it up, I believe, Jesus was the only begotten son of God. The scriptures say just that some 3 dozen times. To be more precise, I think: In Genesis he is the promised seed of the woman. In Exodus he is the Passover lamb. In Leviticus he is the High Priest. In Numbers he is the star to...
  9. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    I checked out the statistics from the Pew Research Center. Although not as bad as you said, it is nonetheless pretty dismal. Overall only about 30% of Jews in Israel go to Synagogue on a regular basis. As might be expected, the younger and well educated have a much worse record than the older...
  10. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Funny you bring that up. The Pharisees accused Jesus of working with a devil. Matt 12:24, But when the Pharisees heard [it], they said, This [fellow] doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. Perhaps you may want to tone down the rhetoric just a bit? Remember, we...
  11. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    I understand the reasoning and like I said, I have no problem with the rules. I'm curious, where did you get the statistic that says 99% of Jews are atheist? I always thought that, though often wrong about God, Israel certainly had a heart for Him. I do believe Jesus will consider their heart...
  12. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    John 17:16, They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Jesus is talking about those who believe what he says. As far as I can tall, like Jesus, they are also not of this world. Are they all therefore God? To be clear, I'm not saying Jesus isn't God, but we should be careful...
  13. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    As much as I'd like to discuss the nature of Jesus, what I would have to say is verboten in this forum. Not that I'm complaining. It's not my forum. They can do whatever they see fit. :) Having said that, I think it safe to say that Jesus is the son of God. It explicitly says that about 3 dozen...
  14. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Hopefully later today! But if not today, it'll be one of these days for sure.
  15. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    All very good points. Very scriptural. However I might suggest one little thing, namely, who Jesus said were children of the devil. John 8:3, And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, It was those praticular scribes and...
  16. Rich R

    New Testament Morality

    It is important when reading the scriptures to ascertain to whom something was written and when it was written. Exod 12:3, Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth [day] of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of [their] fathers...
  17. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Well, you are right in pointing out that Thessalonians never says explicitly that Jesus will come to the earth after we meet him in the clouds. But then again, neither is there any explicit declaration, "Jesus is God" and yet that has been accepted as the very bedrock of the Christian faith by...
  18. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Not saying you are wrong, but how do you see Romans chapter 11 fit in with all of that, particularly verses 1 & 2? Rom 11:1-2, 1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his...
  19. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    All good stuff. All those things are both actual things but are also, as you say, harbingers of something even more real. But I'm not so sure about Israel's heritage being "supposed." God did reserve them for Himself as a peculiar people and It was that heritage that led to Jesus. Seems like a...
  20. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    All that sounds good. To be clear, I absolutely believe we have Christ in us. It'd be hard to deny that after reading Col 1:27. Of course now we still have that pesky flesh that gets in the way of our doing God's will consistently (Romans 7). That'll all change when we get new bodies like Jesus...