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@uncle silas please stop derailing the thread thank you.

Satan will not go along with that. If we are used to the extent that God desires, then we must be killed ie crucified with Christ which is not something that we can speak lightly of 'I no longer live' said Paul. So many have an uncrucified life as believers. No cross no crown as an early Quaker...

Thank you for taking the time to watch. As we heard, Paul uses energeia a lot in his letters, but in our bibles, it does not translate. Does the Holy Spirit show us the things that get missed in translation? Yes if we are walking in the Spirit but not in the same areas for all. God does not give...

If you have the time to watch the last video (I listen on 1.5 speed) you will hear that our English versions miss certain important things in the translations.

I see it as having the spirit, in union with Christ, in purity, divorced from our emotions and thoughts that are not just sinful but the natural workings like intuition that is from God.

@marks https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=essence%20v%20energy%20of%20God&mid=CE17C9744D4B22E8589CCE17C9744D4B22E8589C&ajaxhist=0 Start at 6 mins for as long as you want.

Sorry it did not help. We have to remember that quite a bit of EO stuff is apologetics. I find one problem is that people start with a bias, like listening to RCC stuff. Then there is a problem with understanding the mindset. Not sure of the meaning of the uncreated manifestations not essence...

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=essence+v+energy+of+God&mid=55EF079A372A9BF6CD3355EF079A372A9BF6CD33&FORM=VIRE Only 6.41 mins

I missed this one. Don't get me on to evangelicalism! Walking in the Spirit is unknown there.

OK I am going to butt out of this one and ask @Lizbeth if she has anything to add as I am intruding. Thanks.

He was under the OC law which included the TC. Jesus showed that the NC law was stricter. How could he be under the NC law as a Pharisee?

Paul was without the new covenant law when he was a Pharisee. The crisis I am talking about was when he was a believer but walking in the flesh but had been convicted of his sins. Why would he say he was aware of the 'inward man' or his spirit if an unbeliever?

@dev553344 They are not alter personalities as such but parts of us. Like people say 'a part of me wants to do this but another part wants to do that.

He had reached the crisis all get to when they are convicted by the Holy Spirit of our sins and we see ourselves as God sees us. He meant the law of God we obey as believers. He died means he can no longer carry on as things stand. He hates his sins but cannot stop sinning.

@Lizbeth wrote: I was talking about Rom 8:1 and what follows from it (which follows on from Romans 7 and is the solution to the battle with sin), as well as other verses which speak to walking in the Spirit....and it is THROUGH the Spirit that we are to mortify the deeds of the flesh: Gal 5:16...

Paul displays to us the answer which @Lizbeth has shown already, that he went on to Romans 8 as the Holy Spirit delivered him from his legalism.

This is the testimony of Paul when he was a Pharisee: Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. Phil 3:6 Pharisees only saw the need to have the 'outer cup' clean, they did not understand that what comes out of a man pollutes him. Jesus...

I entirely agree with you, though it was not like that in my country so much. I have heard that many have been severely damaged by it and feel for them. I do not water down the commandments and am not sin free as I have said. The message should be that it is by the power of God alone, we just...

@uncle silas Look, I am sorry you had such a bad church experience. They were clearly legalists and not preaching the true gospel. At that time in church history, there were few if any holiness churches that had not gone down into legalism and it is even worse now. I am thankful that I have...

@uncle silas If you are not here to engage in the subject, just to refute it and be insulting, I ask you to go elsewhere and start your own thread on the subject thank you.