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Lizbeth, any texts that can rightly be interpreted as referring to water baptism, do not prove that it was commanded. It only proves that it was still taking place, and we know that circumcision was likewise, without commandment. John's baptism, a figure to be replaced by substance, was only...

I see where you are coming from however, I believe sister, that this interpretation came from Noah's ark where it saved eight people from the flood, and who were saved by 'water' as it were, and also the Jewish practice of water baptism of converts. And yes, natural then spiritual and was...

Praise and thank Him for all the trials in you life.

@Episkopos We standby and watch as you fall head-first into heresy. The following video shows the teaching of the early church, but you are following Roman Catholic theology and most of western theologies instead, with the addition of Augustines' heresy that the Holy Spirit is not a person but...

Jesus is talking here about being a hypocrite - judging others when you are sinning yourself. It does not say never judge, it says be ye perfect then ye shall judge correctly. The church is wrong when it bans judging outright.

Thank you Mark for answering the questions.

Wow! Good to meet you! I lived in Berlin for a while - in Lichterfelde West. I read St John of the Cross quite a long time before reading the ECF and was greatly helped by him during a 'dark night of the soul'. So good to find someone else who has studied these great spiritual people.

Bred from one, married one.

I don't want to go through the Greek @Johann . I want to know, in @marks words what he thinks it means. You know there are plenty of forums for Bible scholars out there arguing over Koine Greek. Amigo already complained to you yesterday.

But that means because God is three in one, we can multiply everything by three? I agree that everything was given to us from the cross and we have to appropriate it. But it is by faith so can be sprung up all together when we make our offering on the altar.

@marks would you break down that verse to show how you understand it. Paul is saying, is he not, that his hearers were not yet completely sanctified but he was praying for that which would be when? And what about the blameless?

Not sure I follow you here sister. There is surely one point of entry into Christ.

So do you prefer entire sanctification which is scriptural? And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thess. 5:23

Good.

@Johann if you would like to make one or two points, I will consider answering, but not a whole wall as you have posted.

You use the term Trinity don't you. Found nowhere in the Bible.

The Bible says there is one baptism: Eph 4:4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. As you say, as we lay our flesh on the altar, it...

I see it as the Baptism of the Holy Spirit saves us from sin. The disciples followed Jesus before that.

@Lizbeth It is when we have been illumined as to the extent of the evil in the old man that we will consent to his/her crucifixion. Death then life.

@Lizbeth Yes it's in the reckoning.