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I also see carnal believers as opposed to the spiritual. Do you not agree? The carnal? Well this is true and I would not expect all elderly church members to display the fruit of the Spirit for this reason. But when there isn't ONE, which has been my observation, then I have to take stock...

I got it from Norman Russell who says it is a philosophical term used in both a weak sense and a strong sense in Orthodoxy. Yes but what exactly does it mean in practical terms. Also 'becoming' rather than 'be' will no doubt be disputed by theologians. Scripture says to put off and put on like...

@Lizbeth agreed but many terms need some explanation. Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 2 Peter 1:4. We all know this verse but what does it...

@marks I have just seen your edit. No I am not saying that. We have received everything we need, at the cross and all we need is to appropriate it. This is the reason why I said that understanding spiritual things is not easy to explain or understand.

I was not saying the last bit to you Mark. I did say all. I know that you are as interested as I am over deepening relationship with Christ. You seem to want to misinterpret me over everything I say now especially over accepting anything that is not in the Bible which I have explained I do not...

Surely, the most significant doctrine of Protestantism, is sola scriptura which I believe you hold to. It was after all, one of the main reason for the split from the Roman Catholics, as they were adding to scripture in regard to indulgences and other practices. We have diverted from the...

If your believing is in what is true then it will align with the explanations in Scripture. Sorry belief not believe. What is meant, I believe, is that it is about the heart. The heart that is foolish above all things. If the heart is not right with God, then any amount of explanations will...

I think the point was that God spoke a second time, not on their actions specifically.

I was not denying that He will physically return. Both. The apostles could not be wrong in thinking that it was going to be in their lifetime (physically). I don't see how it could be used by the Lord to warn believers, if they were not believers. What would be the point? It is taking the...

Good post on this from Lizbeth on epis thread: "Here I will just lay this out for your or anyone's consideration - don't mean to push it on anyone: Gen 22:15-17 And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, (don’t think the wording is accidental) And said, By...

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Jesus will return again, but this is not what the scripture teaches about a second coming. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth...

Indeed. The problem is that believers who have come to Christ and accept the truth of scripture, imagine themselves as being in Christ, when the fruit of the union is not in their lives. We never receive a 'bit of' Christ. We are in the Spirit or not in the Spirit. It needs the appropriation of...

Taking the weekend off. See you Monday!

So we gradually cleanse ourselves?

Yes but this bit is important: Therefore, put to death what is earthly in you And that is where most are wrong: they think that it is a gradual death. We are to put off and put on, like a coat, which is done in one action not slowly over many years. It's just that the putting on seems like...

Yes His followers have His Spirit but not dwelling deep within. Otherwise they would have it all at their fingertips. The fruit is there bam! when one arises with Christ. Amen! That is the right attitude! As I have said there is nothing to be achieved for waiting for the fullness. Obeying...

Indeed it is the day of judgement: For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: Isa. 2:1 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. Isa...

I concede that saying 'second blessing' is not useful in these conversations. It has too many connotations to the things that were wrong with the Holiness Movement. Instead, I will rather use the idea that, it is when a man comes to believe in the fullness of what Christ achieved for him on the...

@Johann I would like to apologize for that post if I was misunderstanding your motive. And also my embarrassment regarding the lack of a properly researched piece on which ECF taught what on Theosis. I have failed to get this together due to personal circumstances but I am working on it! I am...