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the same crowd.

The difference amongst believers is what one discerns. God's Spirit is always working. She is present continuous.

Consider this combo...Revelation 7:4... Then Revelation 7:9... Firstly specific numbers are given THEN a great multitude no-one could number. First John HEARS.....then he SEES what he has been hearing. This is the same crowd.

What has the priority of focus/ highlight in one's reality? What is it we are busting to tell others? Do we revel in the descriptions of evil....as does the media.....reporting the unfair, the gruesome, the anger inciting....because it sells? Is Jesus' 'My Kingdom is not of this World'...

you don't understand what those adjectives mean?

Is it you do not see because you do not want to see?.......so let's shut the book (talked enough about this) because further research risks exposing the favourite line!

The principles are the same; those of coercion, of self glorification, of me, me, me.

The Good News is the message that God is not angry, that God would rather die than kill, that all who trust Gods liberating judgement, live. Did he succeed? A resounding Yes.

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A misconception of the character of God.

the bible Look at how the world is responding to policies in progress of being implemented. What does it tell you?

could you put your response to what I've said into context please?

Hearing is one thing but seeing qualifies the language of hearing.

C'mon, let's see if you can nail it. Which side did the religious professionals belong to in Jesus day; the left or the right?

Your language Grailhunter is biased and so demonisation is established. If one were to point out the excesses of the other side in order to gain 'brownie points' it would be the same story. The problem is, when views are sacralised one looses objectivity. This is evidenced in the blame game ie...

No, I'm not taking about that. Let's take the Religious Leaders in Jesus day; which do you think they'd fit into, the right or the left? (as we would describe the political foray today?)

Any ideology which one doesn't like gets demonised, put down, ridiculed and labeled adversely. That's where the energy is spent....blaming. Surely that tells us something? If one is willing to put the other down, self is backhandedly elevated. What a clever trick to 'hide' one's self focused...

There is the right and there is the left. Which of those two trumpet 'responsibility'? Which of those two have an image to uphold? .....and what does that image look like? In Jesus time, who we lump into any perceived image?

Can numbers mean than other than the sum of its digits unless it is specifically stated. For instance, as examples 7 = I week, perfection, not just 4+3 3 = unity, triune, completeness not just 1+2 10 = a cycle 666 = ? Prophecy has repeat numbers. 12 and 12x12

Love is vulnerable. It allows the will of the other in the pursuit of freedom...to its own hurt. Calvary is evidence of that. Man's will for his own destiny superseded God's will and as warned, death resulted. Now there are those today who uphold the serpents lie, 'you will not surely die'...