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Prepositions are small words with huge implications. "...from whom are all things..." "from" is Greek "ek" which means something that comes out from something else. In this case, "all things come from God." "...through whom are all things..." "through" is Greek "dia" which means something...

I have read Revelation. Why do you ask? I know that after the events of Revelation we'll finally know what's what. Something to look forward to.

Yes! One of my favorite verses: 1 Cor 13:12, For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Which verses are you talking about? I'll be glad to show how they can be taken in a non-trinity way and thus agree with the clear declarations of both Paul and Jesus that only the Father is God. If, on the other hand, Jesus is God, I would hope you could show how 1 Cor 8:6 and John 17:3 say...

Odd you'd mention 1 Cor 8:6 where it says quite clearly that only the Father is God. Jesus himself said the same in John 17:3. Those verses are a lot clearer than, "Son is relational with the Father, yet the Father/Son are Eternal." What does that even mean?

I was just with Alison Smith from the 10th Corps. She taught at our fellowship. Wonderful woman. I was on staff when the 10h Corps was in residence.

I did allow for the possibility that Matthew 28:19 in our modern Bibles was correct. I said it was not totally clear though. According to textual criticism, that is a fact. Let's assume it is correct. I gave 6 verses that said the Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus only. What do you make of...

I think it is simply that it takes one to recognize one. Mostly your lucid exegesis of the scriptures, a rarity these days. I met some other guy here from the Way. He was also around in the 70s.

I thought so! That's when I started also. They were good days for sure.

I looked at that reference. Really well done. Were you ever, or are you still, a part of the Way International Biblical Research & Teaching Ministry?

I'll check out that link. It's beyond all God given reason that something can be 100% one thing as well as 100% percent something diabolically opposed. God and man are about as opposite as it gets. That so many can be talked into accepting such a dichotomy only shows the power of tradition over...

The Kingdom Hall is not the standard for truth. The scriptures are and I referenced those scriptures in John 20:31 where it says John wrote to show that Jesus is the Messiah and the son of God. Nothing there, or anywhere else in the scriptures, that says, "God the Son." There are more and more...

It is not totally clear that the older Greek texts had this phrase in Matthew 28. It may have been a forgery. But apart from that, there are about a half dozen accounts in the NT that talks about people getting baptized by the Apostles. None of them follow the formula in Matthew. They always...

I had never seen the connection between the Gnostic idea of God and Jesus being at cross-purposes and John's, "and the logos was with God." Huge implications! Thanks. Substituting the word "Jesus" for "logos" completely obscures the real beauty of John's gospel and his stated purpose in writing...

Very true that the trinity is not in the Bible. Shouldn't that give trinitarians pause, especially when the Bible declares it contains everything that pertains to life and godliness? I wonder what exactly Paul meant when he said, "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not...

Welcome to Lower Lifeville! :) I know how you feel. Seriously, I think that anybody that confesses Jesus as their Lord and believes God raised him from the dead (Rom 10:9-10) is a son of God and is as far from being a lower life form as the black is white.

I understand what you are saying, having been of the same mind myself for many years. I still agree with you on the natural man can't receive the things of God. That much is clear in 1 Cor 2:14. However I don't see that section of scripture as saying anything other than with God's spirit...

No theology there. Solo Scripture, ala M. Luther

Well said. If there is any "doctrine" that fits Heb 13:9 it would be, "there is a God the Father, there is a God the Son, and there is a God the Holy Spirit. But these are not 3 Gods but 1 God." What???? A strange doctrine indeed!

"It (the doctrine of the trinity) makes three affirmations: that there is but one God, that the Father and the Son and the Spirit is each God, and that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit is each a distinct person...Though it is not a Biblical doctrine in the sense that any formulation of it can...