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Right. So we’re good on that, at least… ;) Hmm, so we’re seated like Christ is seated in the heavenly places, not with Him? I mean, that’s very opposite what Paul says, there. We are seated with Christ in the heavenly places”… those are Paul’s exact words; it is a present reality. But I agree...

Since I would be in the group of people you’re speaking of here, I’ll address this, if I may. :) Even within this group speaking of spiritual death, it is entirely likely that different folks have different understandings of spiritual death, so it really is not possible to make general...

There’s a lot here to address, FOTG, and maybe I’ll get to it here in a bit, but… why didn’t you answer my question (post#330)? :) Grace and peace to you.

Right… I… didn’t say he was… Yes, ours. Ah, he’s assuredly not talking about the event documented by Luke in Acts 1 (Christ’s ascension). He is saying, though, that we have been raised to where He is and seated with Him. And I’m going to ask you the same question I asked Fullness Of The...

Just one thing to… all this… :) Sorry, just having a little good-natured fun with you… :) Okay, so, you say that in Ephesians 2:4-6, Paul, in saying we have been raised, is indeed speaking of a resurrection. And it is we (believers) who have been resurrected. That’s great! I wholeheartedly...

“Only…” As if it is some mere thing… :). when Paul says the natural man is spiritually dead in his sin/trespass, he means is saying he is in a state of spiritual alienation from God. Life is communion with God, and apart from communion with God there is no real life. One can be breathing...

Well, it's encouraging that you say you're not sure. No one is sure of everything, right? :) If they say they are, then that's a good enough reason to... well, stay away from them... :) I don't really know if I'm speaking to what you say here or not, but I am ~ obviously ~ in the...

We disagree. I'm... not even sure I can make sense of what you say here. :) I would rephrase it this way, that the most important resurrection event, other than Christ's physical resurrection (two millennia ago), is the spiritual resurrection of the saints ~ which occurs at some point in...

Great. Okay, sure... Hm. The rest of the mankind, even while physically living, is dead. The are dead in their sin. They are, at any particular point in time, headed toward the second death (and the first, of course, along with everyone else, even us who are in Christ), Right, but we all...

Well, the first physical resurrection is that of Christ, yes. And then the way we have "a part in" that is to be resurrected in spirit, which is the immediate result of being born again of the Spirit. And yes, we will be physically resurrected at Christ's return ~ along with (but immediately...

Yes, he does... :) We have been raised up with Christ... The physical resurrection and ascension of Christ, yes, but we have been spiritually resurrected ~ by the Spirit, in Christ ~ and thus are, again, spiritually speaking, by the Spirit and in spirit, seated with Him in the heavenly places...

Hmmmm... Well, I would say that being born again is the guarantee of what our final state will be and where we will be and with Whom we will be. Perhaps you will agree... Absolutely. Resurrected in spirit... raised in spirit, and seated with Christ in the heavenly places. Yes...

It is what it is. :) At the very least, when Paul says to Christians in Rome, "And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience ~...

You did say, JBO, the following: "If you mean to say that mankind is spiritually dead from birth, then you are wrong. God forms the spirit in each of us. He doesn't give us a spirit dead at birth. He gives us a spirit alive and well at birth, Just like Adam and Eve, the spirit of a man dies...

Absolutely. Never said otherwise. But I very much disagree that Jesus ~ as God ~ was quickened by the Spirit. Now, yes, He became man, and was tempted in every way we are, so also fully man, so in that sense, I would agree. So... :) no... and yes. :) I'm fully aware of that Peter says in 1...

Okay, well, not “cherry-picking”… But 1 Peter 1:3-5 is certainly not an exhaustive list of passages speaking of our absolute security in Christ. Goodness, no…. :) Agreed. Disagreed. Paul has just said, in Romans 8: “There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus… No...

Lol! Well, I hope so, but if not, it’s… okay. :) Right… Sure… I don’t think I have to add this here, but I will, anyway… All are bodily resurrected, but not all to the same thing. We see this in what Jesus says in John 5:28-29. Sure. Right. Sure. I’m… not really sure how universalism is...

It very much is a resurrection, but of the spirit within us, by the Spirit. And you seem to say that very thing later in this post, especially by pointing out what Paul says in Ephesians 2, yet still deny it. Interesting… and puzzling at the same time. See, here you say this, and I’m right...

Absolutely. We are kept not in our own power, but in the power of God, by His Spirit. He has the power to keep us from stumbling or falling away. He Who began a good work in us will ~ will, not “might” ~ bring it to completion at the day of Christ (Philippians 1:6). As Peter says: “Blessed be...

Well, maybe that the death Jesus is talking about is far beyond physical death of the mortal body…? :) Yes. However… I’m not sure if you understand the latter as a cessation of existence, but it is not. Yes. Yes. Will be resurrected to eternal life ~ true life in and with the One Who is...