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Regarding the blue, in your theology, is there a difference between a "NT saint" and a NT born again Christian ? I guess that's what you saying, and if so, please provide Scripture. Also Scripture for : enters INTO Christ to walk where He is in His perfection. Thanks.

It's an interesting story anyway, the question is, what was David's sin ?

Have you really read both chapters? How can the Lord incite David to sin and then punish him severely for being obedient ?

I asked a well versed orthodox Jew and he said - Satan is just a servant of the Lord. Imagine the depth of their blindness. OTOH, it would explain. However our Christian minds shiver with these kind of contradictions.

1Chro 21:1 Then Satan stood against Israel and incited David to number Israel. 2Sam 24:1 Again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” Read both chapters (same story) and tell me who incited David to number Israel.

Thanks for testimony. Pity you replied on my : You can not know and yet you judge with I can know and judge with righteous judgement No, you can't and I tell you why, although I dislike to tell because...... it feels like ugly pride. Now can you imagine, telling this feels as pride ? Oh...

Quoting what you said earlier, when you fell from grace after 2 years living without sin you were devastated and you also said you learned genuine humility from that. Am I correct so far? Why do you even think you have some sort of exclusive copyright that the Lord God learned you that pride is...

I like this one to ponder about it. If I were born in Israel in Jesus time, raised with a Jewish upbringing according to the Law of Moses, I seriously doubt Jesus was the promised Messiah. Like so many Jews in Jesus time I would be in serious need for divine revelation - John 6:44 No one can...

Know Thyself. Ps 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart! Try me and know my thoughts! Ps 139:24 And see if there be any grievous way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting! May reveal. Or learn by failure.

I don't see a contradiction, both v9 and v10 speak about works, but their nature is different. Given that Paul does not contradict himself : v9 - works without God's saving grace through Jesus won't save. Note v9 is about the Mosaic Law. v10 - is about the new covenant (Luke 22:20), grace +...

True, and - Genuine humility, the fruit of the SPIRIT will never brag about it.

It's not false at all. Allow me to correct you, a person must add their own works to be saved. a person must keep (God prepared) works to remain saved. Scripture : Efez 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, Efez 2:9...

Matt 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. Ouch.... Do take these words of Jesus serious please. And BTW, you...

No, it's you who starts the trampling, disdain etc. etc. My advice, try Gal 5:22 and see how that goes. I will listen then.

The thing is Epi, your scoldings erase the message you are trying to communicate, because what people remember are the insults.

All okay, just like you English is not my native language. I don't see myself posting on a Chinese forum after a year of intensive study and making sense.

See above :grinning:

That. Apparently that as reply is misunderstood by @soberxp, so I stand corrected and of course fully agree with the rhetoric question.

A babe in Christ is saved. There is nothing more to say.

Last time I checked this is a Bible forum. Your wish is my command. Love.