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  1. Wick Stick

    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    Pléroó is from the same etymological root from which we get "plus" and "plural" (Indo-European pele-). The idea of adding is definitely in there. I think there's a basis for it. However, I am not a professor of ancient languages. You shouldn't take my word for it.
  2. Wick Stick

    Why trust the "Early Fathers?"

    Athanasius lived 2 centuries later than Justin, and on a different continent. Not sure they were in the same circles.
  3. Wick Stick

    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    I think you might need to update your definition of the word 'fulfilled.' I read it more like this, and find no duplicity: ...that it might be re-filled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, "Out of Egypt have I called my son." :)
  4. Wick Stick

    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    I can't answer that definitively. Joel doesn't tell us, and history doesn't record what happened afterwards. However, based on Joel's inclusion in the canon of Scripture, and his not being stoned by the people, I would hypothesize the answer to be 'yes.'
  5. Wick Stick

    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    Why does that bother you? Someone told you that was wrong at some point?
  6. Wick Stick

    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    So, if we were to be good Bible students and put Joel's words into context... they're about the restoration of Israel after a plague of locusts. Luke is doing the thing, again.
  7. Wick Stick

    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    Moses is the one who gave the rule for stoning false prophets, and for determining that a prophet is false when their prophesy doesn't come true. See the verses quoted in my last post. I think you entered a conversation at the middle? Allow me to catch you up. The idea here is that the...
  8. Wick Stick

    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    It's right there in the middle of the oldest book in the Bible... Deu 18:20-22 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart...
  9. Wick Stick

    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    It's always short-term. If you prophesy and it doesn't come true in your lifetime... you're a false prophet, by the Biblical test (Deu 18). And that rule seems completely incompatible with the idea that the Old Testament prophets all spoke of Jesus (John 12:41). Yes. Just how valuable is...
  10. Wick Stick

    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    I'm 100% confident that people messed with stuff. I'm also 100% sure that they didn't invent and insert the same hermeneutic into ALL of the gospels and epistles. I can find that same hermeneutic at work in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are primary materials pre-dating the New Testament. I...
  11. Wick Stick

    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    You've proved that the apostles co-opt prophecies out-of-context and claim fulfillment for them in their own day. Someone is using the Bible wrong... do we think it's Jesus and the Apostles? Or... Someone ISN'T using the Bible right... do we think it's the modern church? I can't see a...
  12. Wick Stick

    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    I think the right word is appropriate. Or maybe misappropriate, depending on how you feel about that.
  13. Wick Stick

    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    It isn't just Luke that co-opted Psalms 2:7 in Acts. If you flip back to Mark 1 (or Matt 3 or Luke 3) you'll find that Jesus and John are acting it out, and God Himself mis-quotes the verse, right out of the heavens! Mark 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved...
  14. Wick Stick

    Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

    Psalm 2 is theorized to be part of David's coronation as king. David is clearly referring to himself here. Re-directing the prophecy to be about Jesus is complicated. The intention - to crown a new king - is the same. We might say 'but Jesus is not David.' However, Jesus is David's direct...
  15. Wick Stick

    Why trust the "Early Fathers?"

    Why? Is Luther authoritative? I don't think so. Anyway, Sola Scriptura is often misunderstood. The Reformers had 5 solae - sola scriptura, sola fide, sola gratia, solus christus, and soli Deo Gloria. If the point was to replace the church with the Bible as an authority, there could be only...
  16. Wick Stick

    Were messianic prophecies acquired, rather than intended? (in the original texts)

    That's grammatical context. That's sometimes referred to as redemptive context. Basically, what does the verse mean to the overall message of the Bible? Usually identifying the redemption of mankind by the Lord Jesus Christ as that message. There's also historical context - how does what we...
  17. Wick Stick

    Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

    His post is blocked for me. I don't see it. :p
  18. Wick Stick

    Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

    Sorry @St. SteVen , this part isn't necessarily true...
  19. Wick Stick

    Of what value is the fulfillment of OT prophecy? - since the prophecies were acquired rather than intended

    Story time! My dad owned a carpet cleaning business for most of his life. One day he was cleaning carpets in some sketchy apartments when a man walked into the vacant apartment with a very large kitchen knife and bad intentions. In that moment, my father says that the little voice in the back...
  20. Wick Stick

    Were messianic prophecies acquired, rather than intended? (in the original texts)

    Yes, I think you've missed it. The purpose of pointing out that THE APOSTLE MATTHEW fails to use "what would be considered sound hermeneutical principles in today's seminaries" is not to impugn Matthew, but rather to question the seminaries, pastors, churches, and perhaps even...