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Regardless of one's view on that, we all should be able to adopt the "watch rapture view"

If you are asking can I produce a calendar day, such as, September 30, 2033..... then "no" I can not. Can I pinpoint that as far as at the end of the 70th week, then that day is the day of Jesus's return. Please read my thread I just made on the "watch rapture view".

The day of Jesus's return.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. So since we are currently in a pre-70th week time status, the rapture could happen pre-70th week. Should the...

It seems to me that because the post-trib view that Matthew 24:31 is the resurrection/rapture..... that view pinpoints the resurrection/rapture to a specific day. Which to me conflicts with Jesus saying no man knows the day nor hour of Matthew 24:36. Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know...

Although I would not call it a resurrection/rapture event like that of 1Thessalonians4:14-18, there will be people born, saved, die during the 1000 years reign of Christ. Although life spans will be substantially increased. After the final rebellion of the nations, deceived one last time by...

Hi Ronald, In his story about Lazarus and the rich man there appears to be two sides of the place the where souls of them who had died went after dying. Lazarus may have been in the side known as paradise, as Jesus said to the thief on the cross... Luke 23: 42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord...

Hi Ronald, we were discussing the concept of soul sleep of the wicked, legitimate or not. I don't think it is legitimate. Let's look at Revelation 20:11-14. Verse 13 indicates currently there is a place called hell, a place of dead persons that have souls in it. So I think that is where...

No their souls are not sleeping. Read the story Jesus told about Lazarus and the rich man, Luke 16:19-26. The implication is that there is some place where the souls of the wicked go, until the Great White Throne Judgment takes place.

Angels do not have the power the translate/change your body from corruptible to incorruptible. So Matthew 24:31 involving angels gathering is not referring to the resurrection/rapture of 1Thessalonians 4:14-18.

No, I was not describing "soul sleep". I don't believe in soul sleep. I believe that when a Christian dies, their soul goes to heaven to be with the Lord. And that their bodies return to the dust of earth, just as God said in Genesis.

In 1Thessalonians4:14-18, at God the Father's direction (verse 14), Jesus brings from heaven the souls of Christians that have died (their bodies asleep in the grave) for the resurrection of those bodies. The resurrected bodies out from the earth are then reunited with the souls that Jesus...

No, it is not framed correctly. Revelation 17:10 does not say fallen "heads". I have already explained Revelation 17:10 several times..

Frame your question correctly. Not "heads" but kings. The seven heads represent both the mountains, the location, where the woman sits and also 7 kings. The five fallen kings in the text of Revelation 17:10 is referring to five of the 7 kings. 10 And there are seven kings: five are...

@Spiritual Israelite Are you expecting angels to translate/change your body from corruptible to incorruptible and take you to heaven ?

Yes, I agree that 2Thessalonians 2:1 is referring to the resurrection/rapture event of 1Thessalonians 4:15-18. Do you acknowledge that the resurrection/rapture event is in 1Thessalonians 5:9-11, verse 10 ? 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus...

In my post #7, I did not mention the word gathering is in 1Thessalonians 4:15-18. In 1Thessalonians 4:15-18, Jesus resurrects the dead in Christ and translates the living in Christ.

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. In Matthew 24:31, Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect. Differently, in 1Thessalonians4:15-18, it is Jesus...

The text of Revelation 17:10 is referring to the 7 kings. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And there...

5 of the kings had fallen (already died) at the time of John. The 6th king was ruling at the time of John. The 7th king is future of John's time, in the end times.