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  1. Douggg

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Yes, I re-did it. The first time I typed "fullness". The second time I typed "fulness" and got the Romans 11:25 verse.
  2. Douggg

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    I agree that they are not the same thing. "fulness of the Gentiles" is in Romans 11:25. 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be...
  3. Douggg

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    @The Light @rebuilder 454 I did a phrase search in the kjv regarding "times of the Gentiles". This is what I found... It is in one verse, Luke 21:24 https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=times+of+the+Gentiles&bsec=&order=0&s=1 Then I did a phrase search in the kjv regarding...
  4. Douggg

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Revelation 14 is a complicated chapter to interpret. I think you will agree with me on that point. You say you are focusing on verse 14, but that verse does not say anything regarding the 144,000 that John saw in the opening 5 verses. verse 14 only indicates that John saw Jesus with a...
  5. Douggg

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Hi rebuilder 454, Jesus has a sickle in verse 14. An angel also has a sickle in verse 17. Both Jesus and the angel reap. But two different locations. When the angel reaps, blood flows the length of Israel in verse 20. But does not include the city of Jerusalem (the "without the...
  6. Douggg

    The "watch rapture view"

    Matthew 24:15-22 does describe a global event. Verse 22 reflects that all life on earth will end because of the great tribulation if the great tribulation is not cut short of that happening.
  7. Douggg

    The "watch rapture view"

    The disciples asked three questions, not one, in Matthew 24:3. when would the temple be destroyed what would be the sign of His coming what would be the sign of the end of the world Matthew 24: 1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him...
  8. Douggg

    The "watch rapture view"

    Jesus returns to the Mt. of Olives in Jerusalem directly across from the temple mount. So Jerusalem is not destroyed in the end times when Jesus returns. Also, in Revelation 11, the two witnesses bodies will lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half days. So Jerusalem is...
  9. Douggg

    The "watch rapture view"

    Matthew 24:15-16 does not say the city of Jerusalem will be destroyed. Luke 21:20-24 was fulfilled historically in 70ad. Matthew 24:15-16 is end times, when Jesus will return. The abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12 is at the time of the end, Daniel 12:7, Daniel 12:9.
  10. Douggg

    The "watch rapture view"

    Jesus was not saying that the city of Jerusalem would be made desolate twice. The abomination of desolation in Matthew 24:15 refers to the temple being made desolate of the worship and praise of the One True God. The abomination of desolation will be set up on the temple mount...
  11. Douggg

    The "watch rapture view"

    In Luke 21-27, Luke was quoting Jesus. In the online kjv, the text in red is Jesus speaking. https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Luke-Chapter-21/
  12. Douggg

    The "watch rapture view"

    No, those particular sets of verses are not parallel. But there are parallel sets of verses in Luke 21 and Matthew 24, as I will explain. First of all, Luke 21:20 starts off differently than Matthew 24:15. abomination of desolation standing in the holy place Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore...
  13. Douggg

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Jesus will appear in heaven with a sickle in hand in the sixth seal event of Revelation 6. Having a sickle in His hand will let the wicked of the world know His intentions. And their reaction will be... that they are terrified. 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide...
  14. Douggg

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Gather, but not change from corruptible to incorruptible.
  15. Douggg

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    No, Revelation 14:14-20, there is a sickle given to Jesus and a sickle given to an angel to symbolize the destruction the kings of the earth and their armies, gathered at Armageddon to make war on Jesus and His army of heaven - that will take place. Jesus destroys the portion of those armies...
  16. Douggg

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    The angels do not rapture anyone. The rapture involves the changing of our bodies from corruptible to incorruptible. The angels don't have that power.
  17. Douggg

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    There is no rapture mentioned in Revelation 6, the 6th seal verses. Revelation 14:14 is not a rapture harvest. The sickle is for judgment. The 6th seal is the appearing of the Son of man in heaven as it says in Matthew 24:30a Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man...
  18. Douggg

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    You need to distinguish that the sixth seal is shortly before Jesus coming down to earth. The sixth seal event is the sign of the Son of man appearing in heaven (red highlighted text). And shorty thereafter, Jesus coming with power and great glory (blue highlighted text). When Jesus...
  19. Douggg

    The "watch rapture view"

    Also here is an acronym we should all go by.... BLT. Believe God Love God Trust God
  20. Douggg

    The "watch rapture view"

    Jesus looked up to heaven when he prayed. Watching for the Father to send Jesus to take us up from this earth, involves praying looking up to heaven as Jesus did, thanking the Father in advance, praising His holy name, for what He is going to do - redeem our bodies, and end our troubles in...