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Ah, so now you're reversing course again... re-contradicting yourself. Okay, I think we're done, Ronald. Grace and peace to you. Well, I agree, but you actually make it more than face value; that's the issue. You don't think you do, obviously; no Premillennial believer does, or intends to do...

The King James Version was commissioned in the early 1600s, and because of the antiquated language, can be problematic for some. But in James 5:16, the admonition "...confess your faults one to another..." in the King James Version is the very same in meaning as "...confess your sins to one...

:) You mean as if I don't always do so? <chuckles> Well, I pretty much do. But everybody can change his/her mind, so never says "never"... :) Well, we can't forget about the language (Koine Greek) in which the New Testament was written. Hey, you've pointed out the New Testament Greek in...

Well, good. Preterists basically believe all of the prophecies of Revelation were fulfilled in the first century. So, would you say you're a partial Preterist? Grace and peace to you.

Ah. Well, okay, but now you're conflating two different things. :) Jesus is not talking about the end times in John 14. That's quite an imagination you have, Ronald. :) But between you and me, it's only you who seems to think Jesus is going to literally "grab up" anyone, much less the...

Well, I did, but... ...maybe I had you mixed up with another poster. Gifted Servant, maybe. Okay, my apologies. Grace and peace to you, David.

LOL! But that was the very verse you were using, Ronald, to justify your assertion that believers are removed or transported somewhere else! LOL! But now, at least on this one verse, you are implicitly agreeing with me! So my "argument" is surely not moot, even according to you! LOL...

Sure it did. As a preterist ~ or at least leaning that way ~ do you believe Jesus returned in 70 AD? And that there is now no more sin? Okay, sure... I think in Acts we can see that that's not the case, and Paul's travels to Rome and Corinth and Ephesus and Thessalonica and such happened...

Well, everyone forms their ideas about anything from something or some things... makes decisions ~ hopefully very informed ~ concerning all things. Sure. Well, the argument cuts both ways... There is no verse that actually says he is unbound ~ the "prowls" of 1 Peter 5:8 is not of the same...

Interesting. Well that's not a huge jump. Preterism is toward the opposite end of the spectrum from Amillennialism than Premillennialism, but not nearly as big a... well, a jump. :) Well, thanks. It's easier ~ and freeing, really ~ when we realize that it's not up to us to convince. That's...

I do, too, David. But the context is a bit different in Revelation 18 and 20, and especially from Revelation 21 and 22. Why would you do that? If you're insinuating that that's what I have interpreted, then you've misunderstood what I have said. I have said that 'nations' are 'people groups...

I do appreciate your civility and your ability to discuss things calmly without any sort of bitterness or malevolence, David. Grace and peace to you.

Absolutely not, but we do have a little different understanding of it that you and other Premillennial folks ~ all varieties of them :) ~ do. So goes the Premillennial narrative... LOL! Ah, opinions... :) Oh, well: Grace and peace to you, Davy.

I think the problem, GB, is that ~ and not that anyone means to do this, but ~ some folks have some preconceived idea about what it means to be bound and/or sealed and just won't see it for what it is in Scripture. I think it could be somewhat helpful ~ somewhat at least ~ to imagine a prison...

Are not Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses... and John the Baptist... all individuals... and members of the one nation Israel? The first three are givens, of course, but as you may know, John the Baptist was the son of Zechariah, who himself was a priest of the order of Abijah. the son of Jeroboam...

Okay, so, it was late last night, and now I'm coming back to this post... The Great White Throne judgment of Revelation 20 is after the Jesus's return, after the close of this age, after the thousand years are ended. Time is just a construct, David. Sure, things happen sequentially, and time...

Individual people yes. Nations no. :) This is not true. It may be a perception, somehow, but not true. I'm not sure what this even means. But because of Jesus and His work on the cross and His resurrection, Satan is completely unable to ~ so bound from ~ deceiving the nations... preventing...

No need to read even beyond your first sentence here. When we see any reference to "nations" in the Bible, FullnessOfTheGentiles ~ Revelation 20 included ~ we should not automatically associate that with nation-states, or countries, or governments. Same as above. Even to what you say here...

I got that point loud and clear. In just the wooden "a thing is a thing" context, I agree, but what is really being said in using that thing or those things depends on the context, as I said. Grace and peace to you.

In saying what I said, I only really meant to convey that if God wanted the final Judgement to be even instantaneous, He could certainly do it. :) Think what you want to think, my friend. Grace and peace to you.