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  1. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    Isn’t it “funny,” David, how folks can take Scripture and make it say what they want it to say? Well, they think they can, anyway. And that applies to both of your last two posts. I’m sure you will say the same thing to me; so be it. In that second post, though, none of your examples...
  2. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    And what kind of answers do you get? I can only imagine... :) My answer would be, "I don't know, but it'll be bad..." :) Sorry, that's nothing to laugh about, to be sure. Hm. :) Yes, we'll see if they are really applicable or not... :) Hm. Well, in theory, yes, but this will be after...
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    The Alternative to a Rapture

    And did, in the case of Lazarus. The martyrs and Lazarus all experienced the first resurrection ~ not all at the same time, of course ~ somewhere around 2000 years ago. And their physical bodies will be resurrected (along with all other saints who have gone on before, in the second...
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    The Alternative to a Rapture

    LOL! Again, there's absolutely nothing there about Jesus removing anyone or taking anyone elsewhere. Here it is: For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise...
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    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    Jesus says, "how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house." Nothing there about "binding Satan's works," but rather binding him so that he can no longer ~ at least for now ~ do his "work" of...
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    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    That's a fair point; I would just say that Jesus was demonstrating that these things are possible, and that we are to follow after Him. But you will agree, I'm sure, that Jesus did not actually give the command to go and disciple the nations until after he had been resurrected, and the coming...
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    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    They're not strong at all, David. They're not invalid concerns, but the points themselves are mischaracterizations. The only question, really, is whether the mischaracterizations are inadvertent or purposeful. Grace and peace to you.
  8. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    Come on, my friend. Come on. :) David, Before Jesus's coming, Satan most certainly "deceived the nations"... He was able to prevent the spread of the Gospel beyond the nation of Israel (which is a people, not a land mass). Since Jesus's coming, and for sure since the coming of the Holy...
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    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    Hey, David, if God is God ~ and of course He is :) ~ I'm not really agreeing or disagreeing with you, but if God spoke the entire universe into existence pretty much instantaneously, then why would you say there's "no way... the great white throne judgment (could) be involving just 24 hours or...
  10. PinSeeker

    The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

    Well, Amillennialists would say the exact same thing regarding Premillennialists, Postmillennialists, and Preterists. In the end, Freedm is right; there's only ~ at least regarding the millennium ~ disagreement between us... and no intention by any one of the four not to "keep His Word as...
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    The Alternative to a Rapture

    Well, no it doesn't, but we can agree to disagree. Well, there's nothing there about Him setting foot on the ground, but I would say that's not needed. I think I said this before but I'll say it again if not... there's nothing there about Jesus removing anyone or taking anyone elsewhere. You...
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    The Alternative to a Rapture

    Ah, well, regarding the physical, that's true. But the resurrections that occur during the millennium are not physical. And not general ~ they are individual, the spiritual resurrection of all the saints, all God's elect individually, as they are born again of the Spirit and, as Paul says in...
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    Romans 11 and the real Replacement Theology

    LOL! I have no idea what that even means, or how you would even come up with such a thing. Can we quit on that one? LOL! Grace and peace to you.
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    The Alternative to a Rapture

    I'm quoting the ESV, which I believe to be more true to the manuscripts than others... "Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads...
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    The Alternative to a Rapture

    All believers will inherit the earth. With Jesus... co-heirs, as it were. We will go out to meet Him in His return. And yes, we will forever dwell with the Lord. And even now, we are comforted by that. There is nothing there about being taken anywhere or removed to anywhere else. Both...
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    The Alternative to a Rapture

    It is very, very important to note that in Revelation 20:4, John explicitly says that in this vision he "saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their...
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    Romans 11 and the real Replacement Theology

    Right, but that does not negate the fact that He calls them individually ~ at their own appointed time. Well, the Bible is very clear that God does everything He does for His own glory. But specifically to what you say about "screwing the rest," well, read what Paul says in Romans 1:18-32...
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    Romans 11 and the real Replacement Theology

    Nope… No need… Well, yes… LOL! Maybe you missed it, Peter. I said that I agree that God has called everyone, but that is true only in a certain sense, that being that there is, many times over, an outward call to repentance and belief. This is the outward call to God’s salvation, and it is...
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    Romans 11 and the real Replacement Theology

    I don't think he "side-stepped" the question, Fullness Of The Gentiles, but he didn't directly answer it. In post #933, he quoted Romans 10:1-3 and highlighted 'Israel,' 'they,' and 'them,' indicating the equivalency of the three, that each of the three refer to the same group of people...
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    Romans 11 and the real Replacement Theology

    That's exactly what it is. Romans 9-11 is about God calling His people Israel, His elect. He has mercy on whom He will, compassion on whom He will (Paul, quoting Moses, who quotes God in Exodus 33:18, in Romans 9:15, and restating it emphatically in Romans 9:18). And God's elect, while people...