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Well, Scripture does not equate being baptized in water (by men) with being born again of the Spirit in that moment. We cannot cause anyone else to be born again of the Spirit through any means. Only God can do that. It is possible for the two things (water baptism and being born again of the...

Okay, well, we understand that differently, obviously. Jesus always was, is, and forever will be one with the Father and the Spirit. As I said, He was never in need of salvation. For Him, being born again of the Spirit was not needed. He is the One Who baptizes with the Holy Spirit, as Mark...

LOL! Actually, Jesus says that, to Nicodemus in John 3... :) But your position on that ~ and the Catholic position ~ is not really a Catholic vs. Protestant thing. It goes back much further than that, which gets at what we were discussing about denominations and such. The promise is for...

I am glad to hear that you are born again, Mary. Me, too. But that is not because you were baptized in a church by human beings. :) No one but God ~ by His Spirit ~ can cause you to be born again. Grace and peace to you.

Thank you for the kind words. Well, thank you again, and I'm glad you feel that way. But I would submit to you, regarding what you intimate about some other posters here, every street is a two-way street (so to speak)... Right, well, no apology necessary, but yes, I was and am well aware of...

Fair enough, but, Protestant or Catholic (or any other -ant or -ic... or -ist or -ian or -ite... :)), I find it astounding, really, and yes, sad, that so many Christians think along the lines you are thinking here. And this is puzzling for a slightly different reason, but the result is still...

As best I can remember, Mary, you came to this "logical conclusion" based on something that I had said. You acknowledged something I had said, and then said "well that means..." Here you go: Marymog: "You said each of them (the reformers) made great contributions to bringing Christians back...

Okay, I understand, I guess, but no... The unbelief of ethnic Jews and the partial hardening in this way of Israel has benefitted the Gentiles in that this now is the period of history in which the Gentile elect are being saved, while most of Israel elect for now remains in unbelief. But God's...

Well, not strictly chronological. I agree. What I would say, Jay ~ and you may or may not agree ~ is that it is chronological to a certain degree... seven times over. :) Generally speaking. Thank you for your thoughtful posts and gentle, graceful rebuttals to... well, another poster. :)...

Well, great, we agree on something! LOL... It's not that I don't care what you have to say, Mary. All I said was whether your answer is yes or no ~ whether you agreed that we were in a worship/church setting or not ~ I didn't consider you to be preaching or teaching. Good grief. Right...

No "games"... <eyeroll> How do these two things correlate to you, Mary? I mean, how? Do you consider you and me (and other posters, maybe), now, in a worship or church setting? And regardless of your answer to that, I don't consider you to be preaching or teaching, as I said. I don't even...

Disagree. My position (as per above) is that that prophecy is in the process of being fulfilled even as we speak. The physical temples of old (built by Solomon and rebuilt on the return to the promised land from exile in Babylon) pointed to the true temple still in the process of being built...

The church where you are a member ~ which would presumably have some sort of structure and polity and therefore be able to mediate such matters as appropriate. I... didn't say you were. Sure. And these persons do not have to be elders or deacons. Sure. I didn't say otherwise, nor would I...

We (Christians) are the temple under construction, Hobie. As Paul says: "So then you (Gentiles) are no longer strangers and aliens, but you (Gentiles) are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus...

I don't play games, Rebuilder. More or less, yes. I would probably put it a little differently, but yes. Funny how we attribute to each other the very same thing, no? Grace and peace to you.

You know, I was going to reply, but it can't be answered better that RWB just did above. I actually did, previously, though, when I said, "(t)he true Christian church of all times and all places... Christ's Church." Grace and peace to you, Mary.

And you think He was talking about the Roman Catholic Church... LOL! Nope... That "good" old Catholic narrative again... The true Christian church of all times and all places, yes. Christ's Church. The Bible doesn't ever tell us that women have nothing to offer (or cannot serve) or that we...

LOL! In a sense, no; that will not truly happen until Christ returns. On certain things, yes. Well, they thought "The Church" was doing and teaching some things at odds with Scripture, and they were right. Not at all. This is the Catholic narrative. :) Agreed. A terrible...

No she didn't... God had already told them (and all of creation) in Genesis 1:28 to "be fruitful and multiply: "God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and...

Right, but the point was that you had said, "(t)he Holy Spirit did not dwell within, but instead came upon people in OT times." In both Ezekiel 19 and Ezekiel 36, God is saying that He puts His Spirit in those people. Paul refers to these passages specifically in Romans 9-11, Ephesians 2...