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  1. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    It occurs to me that care should be taken to be specific about certain motives due to the inadequacies of our language. We could say Love is a prime motive, because God is love. But obviously the love of money is not from God. That is not the same kind of love, it's more of a covetous desire.
  2. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    Fear has to do with punishment. When exposed to God's Holiness or an angel who has been in the presence of God people are afraid as a natural response. Or when confronted with a dangerous animal people are afraid. Or predatory people may incite fear. It seems that fear may be from the...
  3. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    If we look at Jesus words about the commandments, the greatest were love of God and Neighbor. As the rest could be hung from these. And it stands to reason, and is biblical, that if we love God we will also love our neighbor, as this is God's commandment, and if we love God we obey his...
  4. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    I'm not sure, I had no plan just a vague feeling of a gap in knowledge. But it does seem like it could help to target prayers. Every sin sould have one or more motivations behind it. I'm unaware of any sin itself being a motivation, they are actions. I think that motivations can be reduced to...
  5. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    Covetousness is more of a primary cause. It at least takes apathy towards ones neighbor to desire what they have and be willing to deprive them of it. You wouldn't want what your neighbor has because of apathy. Envy on the other hand is seeking to deprive something from someone else because...
  6. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    If we look at this biblical example Solomon used the qualities of motherhood to expose the true mother of the child. A true mother would love and so protect their child and the false mother only covet the child not caring about its wellbeing.
  7. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    Feel free to continue the discussion in your own thread.
  8. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    But this discussion about the election is overshadowing the thread, detracting from the discussion about spiritual motivation and discernment, which is actually of potential benefit to the hearers where as disputes about the election are not. Further discussion about the election is prohibited...
  9. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    It is dishonest to say the capital was stormed when entry to the capitol was granted by police, and those who entered held all the fury of a tourist.
  10. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    I followed the cases closely, and the reports surrounding them. I am confident in my understanding of them. You are in error, if Trump were re-elected it would have resulted in wide spread domestic terrorism by demon possessed leftists. When poled a majority of them would rather be wiped out...
  11. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    People judged for themselves, in the absence of a proper hearing of the evidence. The reason the cases were thrown out were standing, and precedent that judges do not like to become involved in election disputes. One of the cases made it to the supreme court, but Justice Roberts decided...
  12. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    That is the problem with judging the fruit by the tree, when we can not see the tree. But sometimes motivation is clear, and established in the investigation of a crime. So I take it you are against hate crimes because we can't know motivation with certainty? The belief in a stolen election...
  13. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    And patriotism stems from what? Pride? Isn't that a sin? I think pride in someone else can be a positive thing. Pride in another, expecally for sacrificial love is something I recognize as good. It is when someone takes pride in themselves that there is trouble.
  14. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    Believe it or not the OP of a thread determines the topic being discussed. If something does not contribute to the discussion and is reported as being off topic, it may be moved or removed. I'm pointing out the logical inconsistency with the narrative you are repeating. Trump was elected by...
  15. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    Perhaps this is why I picked Marxism as an example. On the surface it is hard to determine if it is good or evil. Because, as you point out, the church was cooperative in the beginning. Yet millions have died, and been repressed because of these policies. I propose that ideas not be judged...
  16. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    Since when has laughing at someone been considered a discussion?
  17. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    "They were a violent mob," is not a motivation. Their "intention to prevent a legal, Constitutionally-mandated certification of the vote" does not speak to motivations either. "They were angry because their cult leader was overthrown in a totally legal election" is closer to my intent for this...
  18. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    You are incapable of looking past the surface ideologies to analyze motivations. That is also informative, moving us closer to a solid concept for this. If I had to analyze the motivations of the January 6th protestors it was anger. Anger that their image of a representative democracy was...
  19. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    What Marxism is and what it claims to be are fundamentally different. Look at the rhetoric and motivation of it's advocates. The communist marxist revolutions were not waged in mute academic agreement, but in the blood of millions. The revolution is driven by a resentment of the bourgeoisie...
  20. lforrest

    Spiritual etymology

    It seems to me that there is an unnamed and undiscovered art in this world. Spiritual discernment can be applied to any idea. And from that the spirit or spirits behind it exposed. All the way down to the roots. Sort of like an etymology. An example that is probably not correct or complete...