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  1. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    No, the devil wants to deceive people into believeing his first lie, that we won't die! You are believing that lie by believing that the dead continue living in heaven when they die. The Sciptures don't support that. Hebrews 9:27 (27) And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this...
  2. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    I'd agree with that, except that death is the end of conscious life (the only meaningful kind of life!). It's only not the end of our lives if God restores us to a conscious state again. As you say, the true end of life, with no hope of ever becoming conscious again, is when He utterly...
  3. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    As I quoted, Paul said that if there is no resurrection "Then they also who are fallen asleep in Christ have perished" (1 Corinthians 15:18). So those who are "asleep" are perished (Greek word apollumi, meaning destroyed), so they can't be alive and conscious waiting in heaven (or a prison or...
  4. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    The point I was making is that what Jesus was saying is that after we die we are in an unconscious state, just like being in a deep, dreamless sleep. I often wake up in the night and I have no idea what the time is. I don't know how long that I've been asleep for; sometimes I think it must be...
  5. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    So you're wiling to cling to your interpretation which means that the Scriptures are conflicting, saying opposite things. That should be a clue that your interpretation is incorrect! Paul wrote that if there is no resurrection then the Christians that have died are perished. They don't...
  6. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    Did Jesus preach only to the "spirits" that were disobedient in the days of Noah? If these "spirits" are humans then what about all those people that have lived since (and before) the days of Noah? Why are these "spirits" in prison? The Scriptures tell us that our thoughts cease when we die...
  7. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    Why is it a problem for you? As for where Jesus is, I'm sure you know - Colossians 3:1 (WEB): (1) If then you were raised together with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God. It just so happened that last night I watched an episode of...
  8. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    His (or her) conscious thoughts will cease, just like when we're in a deep sleep. Psalms 146:4 (WEB): (4) His spirit departs, and he returns to the earth. In that very day, his thoughts perish. Ecclesiastes 9 (WEB): (5) For the living know that they will die, but the dead don’t know...
  9. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    Perhaps these words of Paul will create a little doubt for you? ;) 1 Thessalonians 1: (10) and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 5: (2) For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord comes like...
  10. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    You are assuming that Paul is referring to the same event that Jesus is referring to when he answers the disciple's question "Tell us, when will these things be? What is the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?" (Matthew 24:3). But he is not! Paul is comforting Christians, telling...
  11. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    This is what it says: 1 Thessalonians 4 (WEB): (14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. (16) For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with God’s...
  12. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    [Continuing from my previous post.] The work of the sealed servants then results in a lot of people being saved – “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb...
  13. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    Those verses, including what you have underlined, say nothing about whether the gathered elect were alive or dead when they were gathered. Making such assumptions is not being sharp in reading God's word! The "four winds" mentioned in Matthew 24:31 shows that it referring to the earth, not...
  14. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    Perhaps during your own searches of the Scriptures you missed these clues from the Old Testament that the church does not go through the Great Tribulation, i.e. the rapture is pre-tribulation: Isaiah 26: 19) Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing...
  15. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I don't think we will be able to understand what heaven, and being a spirit being, is like until after our resurrection when we will get to experience it. That's because, as our scientists will inform us, it most likely means existing in other dimensions that we don't have access too in our...
  16. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    It is the same Greek word as Jesus used in John 20:17 (WEB): (17) Jesus said to her, “Don’t hold me, for I haven’t yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” So Jesus was saying in John 6:62 that he...
  17. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Can you give Biblical examples? What about Jesus' words in John 6:62 (WEB)?: (62) Then what if you would see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
  18. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    If Jesus just existed in God's mind before his human birth, then how do you harmonise that idea with the following verses?: John 6 (WEB): (38) For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. (46) Not that anyone has seen the Father, except he who is...
  19. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I guess God is very good at predicting the future! ;)
  20. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I don't know why you seem to think that I am arguing that Jesus was God - I am not! Jesus is not God. I agree that Jesus is a completely separate being from God. He is God's only begotten Son. It doesn't! My posts were about Jesus existing as a spirit being before he was made human. The...