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  1. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    What has it got to do with JW's? I stated the number of times that the words heaven and hell are mentioned, and I am not a JW. You can't seem to get JW's out of your mind!
  2. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    That's not been my experience.
  3. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I'm surprised that you think that. Whenever I've spoken to Jehovah's Witnesses they've spoken of nothing except the Scriptures, and quote and read it nowadays from modern translations that other denominations use, rather that the New World Translation, so that there is no excuse to not believe...
  4. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Are you sure about that? Romans 3:10 (WEB): (10) As it is written, “There is no one righteous; no, not one. The Jews were expecting to be raised to life in the resurrection, and they knew Jehovah (YHWH). 1 Thesalonians 4:3-12 (WEB): (3) For this is the will of God: your sanctification...
  5. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Is it? A simple word search reveals that the word 'hell' is mentioned 54 times, whereas the word 'heaven' is mentioned 583 times (in the KJV).
  6. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I don't think that was the point that John was making in John 19:32-33, but yes, Adam was a type for Jesus, and Eve was a type for the Church, the bride of Christ (Romans 5:14 - "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those whose sins weren’t like Adam’s disobedience, who is...
  7. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Romans 5:12 (WEB): (12) Therefore as sin entered into the world through one man, and death through sin; so death passed to all men, because all sinned. We all die, because we were all born with a sinful nature and we all inherited a decaying, dying body from Adam - we share in Adam's...
  8. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I'm quite sure that Aunty Jane also believes Jesus. The difference is not that one believes Jesus and the other not, it's who correctly understands what Jesus and God taught, as recorded in the Bible. Consider these verses: 1 John 4:7-11,16 (ASV): (7) Beloved, let us love one another: for...
  9. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    There is no mention there of any torture or torment, just dead bodies. The dead cannot feel anything! Everlasting life is simple enough to understand. The word that it translated as "contempt" is the Hebrew word dera’own which is only used twice - the other time is in the verse you just...
  10. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I posted some verses which says that when we die our thoughts perish. If we have no thoughts then we are unconscious, not able to think or experience anything. To torture an unconscious person is pointless and futile - they would have no knowledge of it; just like waking up after having had a...
  11. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Death is the lack of life, just as darkness is the lack of light. Here's the Bible's (God's word) definition of death: Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 (5) For the living know that they will die, but the dead don’t know anything, neither do they have any more a reward; for their memory is forgotten. (6)...
  12. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I presume you mean "your children". ;) Just because I'm willing to discuss it that does not mean that I am "hung up about it". :rolleyes: You obviously don't understand why I quoted those verses. The verses reveal what God thinks about killing people in fire, and show that it is inconceivable...
  13. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I quoted Scripture and then commented on those verses. Are you saying that you think I misinterpreted those verses? So you think that God will perform on a grand scale what He described as an abomination, and which He said profanes His name? He said people who did that should be put to death...
  14. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I asked you to support your claims with Bible references. Then in post #483 I asked for references to specifically support your claims in post #481. Because that specific list is what you are claiming in your post #481. You are trying to convince me; I'm not trying to convince myself to...
  15. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    No, I asked for Bible references to support your claims that: Every natural born human is born separated from God. Every living human not Believing in God is separated from God. Every body & living soul that shall be raised up in damnation is separated from God. Every fallen Angel is separated...
  16. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    We need to understand God's word to us first, otherwise we will get a totally wrong impression of God's character. He is a loving God. God is the author of the Bible - His word to us. To correctly understand the Bible our interpretations must harmonise all Bible verses; if the Bible seems to...
  17. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    What! Still no Bible references! Acts 17:11 (WEB): (11) Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. If the Bereans did not even take the apostle's...
  18. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    You're not seeing any deception?! :eek: Psalms 146:4 tells us: (4) His spirit departs, and he returns to the earth. In that very day, his thoughts perish. When we die our thoughts cease - we become unconscious, or as Jesus describes it, it is like a deep sleep. Therefore Samuel could not...
  19. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    You still haven't said where in the Bible it teaches that anyone will ever be separated from God. Where does it say that God will do that? You should not teach anything that is not supported by the Bible, and if it is supported by the Bible you should tell us where, or else no sensible person...
  20. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Please give a Bible verse(s) reference when quoting the Bible. You were quoting 1 Samuel 28:19, although the word "here" wasn't in any translation that I looked in: (19) Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy...