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No, my chart is not teaching that the church began with the birth of Jesus. I don't show the church on the chart. The church began in Luke 24:44-48 when Jesus appeared to the disciples after His resurrection. 44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was...

The falling away from believing that Jesus is the messiah will take place during the false messianic age which the Antichrist will be the thought-to-messiah. To take place during the first three years (thereabouts) of the 7 years. Then the Antichrist will commit the transgression of...

The great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation is set up on the temple mount.

The same Gog/Magog nations will be involved in the last rebellion of the nations after the 1000 years are over, yes. But that does not mean I am in error, because the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39 is 7 years prior to Jesus's return. The 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 coincide with the 7 years...

The person revealing himself to be the man of sin by the 2Thessalonians2:4 act will be around three years into the 7 years. We cannot pinpoint the exact day in the 7 year timeline that will take place. But around three years into it. As far as identifying who that person is - yes, it...

The Gog/Magog attack on Israel will take place right before the 7 years of Daniel 9:27. The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 coincide with the 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9 following the Gog/Magog attack. Since the Gog/Magog attack on Israel has not happened yet - the beginning of the 7 years has not begun...

The thing to keep in mind regarding the resurrection/rapture is that it could happen at any time - before the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4, revealing himself as the man of sin. That's when the Day of the Lord begins and His wrath begins...

I am saying that Mark 13:19 the text says "affliction", not "tribulation". ewq1938 in his argument substitutes tribulation for affliction in that verse, via rationalization, - to support his position that the term he uses - "the tribulation" as meaning "the great tribulation". I am saying...

Jesus did not use the expression great trib, nor trib. What is your rapture timing view ?

Thanks for your input. Mark 13:19 is definitely a parallel to Matthew 24:21. Agreed. My point is this - in discussions about the great tribulation, when a poster refers to the great tribulation as "the trib", it invites confusion....... because all of us hear about the pre-trib, post-trib...

The three trumpet woes, all of them, or only the 6th, are not what begins the great tribulation. Jesus said what begins the great tribulation in Matthew 24:15. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy...

Mark 13:19 does not have the word "tribulation" in it, but "affliction".

That is not what Jesus said in Matthew 24:15 that begins the great tribulation. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

The three woe trumpets take place during the great tribulation. But the woe trumpets don't define the beginning of the great tribulation. Jesus said in Matthew 24:15-21 that the great tribulation will begin when the abomination of desolation is standing in the holy place, as spoken of by...

What translation are you using ? What specific verse in Mark 13 are you referring to ? ----------------------------------------------- Jesus stressed that the great tribulation will be unmatched in human history, and never equaled again. The great tribulation's severity will threatened the...

I use the kjv bible. In Matthew 24:21, the term is "great tribulation" In Mark 13:19, the term is "affliction" Both are referring to the same time period. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then in Matthew 24:29 and Mark 13:24, Jesus spoke about the...

No, that is not what I think at all. The last 1335 days of the 7 years is the timeframe of the great tribulation. For much of the first half of the 7 years, the world will be saying "peace and safety", thinking it has entered the messianic age. Not a time of tribulation. As I have been...

Jesus was speaking about great tribulation - unmatched since the beginning of the world and never will be again in Matthew 24:21. Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be...

Jesus did not use the term "the trib". Then you post your correct diagram fitting of the end times time frames found in the bible. Here they are , all of them. Now provide your correct diagram of how they fit together.