Messiah 2030

[The Light]

Show me the scripture which states that the word generation refers to the average life span.

First off, this is not about average lifespan. It is about the days of years of STRENGTH, which is 80.

Psalms 90
10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

And Matthew 24 says "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

AND WE FLY AWAY. This is talking about the second harvest or second fold. There are 144,000 first fruits of this harvest. This occurs at the 6th seal. (which is not the 7th seal)

 

[The Light]

The Gog/Magog attack on Israel will take place right before the 7 years of Daniel 9:27. The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 coincide with the 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9 following the Gog/Magog attack.

Since the Gog/Magog attack on Israel has not happened yet - the beginning of the 7 years has not begun yet either.

Since Gog Magog happens after the 1000 years you are in error.

The land of Israel has walls. The walls will not be torn down until after Jesus returns..........the second advent.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The land of Israel has walls. The walls will not be torn down until after Jesus returns

When Jesus returns, He'll be returning to Israel and ruling the world from Jerusalem

You think the devil is going to storm Israel and defeat her while Jesus is ruling the world?

If so, you got another thing coming.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If none of these dialects have a definition for generation then fuhgettaboutit

They do. The word "generation" in Matthew 24:34 is translated from the Greek word "genea". You know that the New Testament was written in Greek, don't you? None of the definitions for the word "genea" are the average human life span. There is nothing hard to understand about this.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

He is amil.
Different bible.
Amil goggles used on every verse

Says the guy who has never made a coherent argument in his life.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It seems that you are attempting to twist scripture because it does not agree with your doctrine.

You are the one trying to create a new definition for the word "generation" that does not exist. Show me any English dictionary where a definition for that word is the average human life span. Show me any Greek dictionary which shows a definition of the word "genea" is the average human life span. Good luck with that. If you can't do it, then it proves you are twisting scripture to make it fit your doctrine.

Psalm 90 is talking about generations.

Psalm 90
1 Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.

So you say that the verses I quoted are talking about the average human life span. Great. And by reason of strength that period is 80 years.

Psalm 90:10 is about the average human life span, not about the duration of a generation. A generation is the average time that children grow up and then have their own children which then start a new generation, so that is generally about 30 to 40 years. Not 80 years.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

First off, this is not about average lifespan. It is about the days of years of STRENGTH, which is 80.

Psalms 90
10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Hello? Are you just ignoring where it says "the days of our years are threescore years and ten"? That's talking about the average human life span. It is generally 70 years, but could be up to 80 years "if our strength endures".

Psalm 90:10 (NIV) Our days may come to seventy years, or eighty, if our strength endures; yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,
for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

This verse is clearly about the average human life span, so it's ridiculous for you to deny something so obvious. Trying to apply that to the length of a generation is ludicrous.

And Matthew 24 says "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

AND WE FLY AWAY. This is talking about the second harvest or second fold. There are 144,000 first fruits of this harvest. This occurs at the 6th seal. (which is not the 7th seal)

Psalm 90:10 is not talking about the length of a generation, so you are just trying to apply an unrelated verse to support your false doctrine.

 

[Douggg]

Since the man of sin has not been revealed yet - the beginning of the 7 years has not begun yet either.

The person revealing himself to be the man of sin by the 2Thessalonians2:4 act will be around three years into the 7 years. We cannot pinpoint the exact day in the 7 year timeline that will take place. But around three years into it.

As far as identifying who that person is - yes, it is possible to know before the 7 years start - as the little horn..

As the little horn person he will become a leader over a panel of ten EU leaders - before the Gog/Magog attack on Israel takes place.

That little horn person will then become the prince who shall come of Daniel 9:26, into the middle east following Gog/Magog. The Jews will think he is their long awaited king of Israel messiah.

The false prophet will anoint him as the king of Israel. As the little horn person becomes the Antichrist.


Revelation 6:2, the crown given to the rider on the white horn messiah figure.

The Antichrist thought-to-be messiah will then confirm the Mt Sinai covenant via the method described by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 - the 7 years are in verse 10 - to begin the 7 years of Daniel 9:27.


Then around 3 years into the 7 years, the Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation act of Daniel 8:13 as described in 2Thessalonians2:4. Revealing himself to be the man of sin - and not the messiah after all. End of his stage as the Antichrist.



He will then be killed, assassinated, for his sitting in the temple act of claiming to have achieved God-hood.


A week or so later, he will come back to life, seemingly having overcome death.



And he moves into his beast-king stage, as the ten EU leaders hand their EU kingdom over to him to be dictator of. Revelation 17:17.

The false prophet will then direct that a statue image be made of the beast-king and placed on the temple mount as the abomination of desolation - and the great tribulation will begin as the false prophet will demand worship of the statue image - 1335 days before Jesus returns.

Matthew 24:
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:



1290 days pass, and then the world sees the sign of of the Son of man in heaven. The kings of the earth then gather their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army.



45 days later, Jesus descends to earth to the Mt of Olives !!! The abomination of desolation statue image, goes up in flames, turned to ashes. And Satan exposed there on the temple mount. The beast-king and the false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire. And Satan cast into the bottomless pit.

 

[Douggg]

Since Gog Magog happens after the 1000 years you are in error.

The same Gog/Magog nations will be involved in the last rebellion of the nations after the 1000 years are over, yes.

But that does not mean I am in error, because the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39 is 7 years prior to Jesus's return. The 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 coincide with the 7 years of Daniel 9:27.

The land of Israel has walls. The walls will not be torn down until after Jesus returns..........the second advent.

That there are barriers in Israel to separate the Palestinians, we could consider to be walls - that is a valid argument.

Whether those barriers qualify as walled villages - is not enough to hang one's hat on as the Gog/Magog event being at the end of the 1000 years.

I think we need to consider what is the main motivator in the Gog/Magog attack of Ezekiel 38-39 ? imo, it is Islam - that seeks to destroy Israel.

 

[Jay Ross]

The Lord's return could be in 50 years, 100 years, 200 years, 300 years, no man knows, we are all just guessing if we put a date on it.

Yes, we all could be guessing, but God always provided a prophet or two to keep the elect informed. Our problem today is that we have too many false prophets either knocking those who present evidence of possible timelines, and we also have too many false prophets who present evidence of possible timelines but have no understanding of God's actual timeline. Then there are others who want to escape the coming turmoil and yet return to rule over the peoples of the earth as a "judge" and "ruler," when Christ returns.

It takes courage to be an eagle and fly in the heavens and yet still be good friends with the turkeys that cannot get that far off the ground.

Living is a journey, and it will always end well with the right friends that we make along the way. It is just difficult to find the friend that matters and supports you along the road well-trodden.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Have any of you seen these videos and do you think they are correct?

I've seen them a couple times. They're good. Good work. We were talking about them on another forum. I think there's a bunch of things he is correct about. The 6 -1000 year "days". That is probably correct. He is correct that 2030 is 2000 years since the Crucifixion. Jesus was on the cross Friday, April 7, 30AD. His moon was a faithful witness on Passover that year. But I don't think the video guy is correct that the second visitation will be in 2030.

This 2030 date is actually the date that the millennial kingdom is set up.

Or that's his hypothesis.

If the millennial kingdom is set up in 2030, what should we be seeing today?

We should be seeing John Chau being killed on North Sentinel Island. And the Revelation 12 sign. And the things which were happening 7, or 8 years ago. (IF the Millennium were to start in 2030)

By my count the heptad ended in April this year. We're in the delay. We're in the half an hour of silence where the Two Witnesses are laying dead in the streets. It's about the space of half an hour. 3.5 days. Half a heptad, or thereabouts. They are the same time periods.

There's two other guys both named Christian. Both of them are counting heptads and Jubilee Cycles. One of them was doing posts on this very forum. He's Ok, but has a short fuse. Lol. The other Christian is Dr. Christian Widener. He does a few videos. He's using my same method, which is the Isaac Newton deal, but he's using a different start date than mine. He thinks it's 2027.

The Christian Gaviria from this forum insists that the second coming is in the fall of 2026.

The way I count it is that it should have happened already, it must be happening now. I say 2025. Any time now. It's "about", or approximately the space of half an hour. Because only the Father knows the day and the hour.

Jesus would never blot out our names from the Book of Life. But they were already written there by the Father from before the foundation of the universe. Some of our brothers and our fellow servants are still coming through the pipeline now.

2030, 2027, 2026, or 2025. I have to default to the earliest date, that way I won't be late. I got a date I can't be late, for the high hopes hailla ball.

 

[Marilyn C]

We are told to WATCH by the Lord. I have run across a three-part video, that I would imagine that many of you have seen. Scripture after scripture is claimed to indicate that Jesus returns in 2030.

Have any of you seen these videos and do you think they are correct?

Here is part one.


This 2030 date is actually the date that the millennial kingdom is set up.

If the millennial kingdom is set up in 2030, what should we be seeing today?

Hi The Light,

The difficulty with those calculations is that they are not the Lord`s. You see the Lord uses a constant 30 day month and a 360 year. That then can be measured on our Solar calendar or the Israelis Lunar calendar.

 

[quietthinker]

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I believe the scripture indicates that the 7 year or one week covenant will be confirmed by a man. Also, are we seeing sacrifices happen yet??

To come to any accurate conclusion regarding the interpretation of this verse, it needs to be determined who the 'he' is at the out set of the text and whether the 'he' later in the text is the same person.

We also need to be aware that the angel who is speaking these words is in response to Daniel's prayer and ask ourselves, what was Daniel praying for?

 

[Dave Watchman]

Hi The Light,

The difficulty with those calculations is that they are not the Lord`s. You see the Lord uses a constant 30 day month and a 360 year. That then can be measured on our Solar calendar or the Israelis Lunar calendar.

Hi The Marilyn.

It sounds funny saying Hi The Light.

Hi Marilyn.

I remember you on the forums for a long time, but unlike McKeras, or Doug, or ewq1938, I don't remember talking to you before.

I've seen people talking about the 360 day year before, but I don't totally compute with the use of it. This must be where people are going: 360 X 3.5 = 1260? Where it says: "time, times and half a time", I tend to look at that from above the sun and earth looking down at the 360 degree rotation of the earth traveling around the sun. One 360 degree rotation equals a year. Half a trip around the sun equals a half a year, a half a time. Like in Daniel 9 where it says 7 and 62 weeks. It was still 69 weeks of actual solar years from the Artaxerxes Decree in 457BC, to 27AD when Jesus read from the Isaiah scroll in Luke 4:17.

But whatever this is, none of it I can see as applicable to the video guy, or what the two Christians and I are counting. Which are Jubilee Cycles and counts of sevens. The "years" are still literal years of time which coincide with the two equinoxes each "time', or trip, around the sun.

Like the video guy is saying, if we were able to count the heptads to forecast Messiah's first Visitation, we should be able to count the times leading to His Second Visitation.

I tend to think the video guy is correct, in theory. He's basically correct. But there's still a better way to zoom in with more accuracy to get a better pinpoint of the specific timing, rather than trying to count big 1000 year "days". He could even be right, but maybe these last two big 1000 year "days", are the "days" Jesus was talking about that needed to be shortened, lest no flesh be saved alive.

Some, like Dr. Christian Wideman are using 1537, others use 1536, and I am sticking with 1535 for now. The only variable in our schematic is the Julian/Gregorian change over in the middle ages. Since our formula kicks off in the middle ages prior to that, we could be debating a January, or April New Years Day.

On Saturday I always say Peaceful Sabbath, so half the people think I'm SDA. But I'm not. (Not that there's anything wrong with that). Never been near an SDA Church. I think they usually say: "Happy Sabbath. But I am sort of a partial historicist, if there is such a thing. So I think that the: "time, times and half a time", was the 1260 years during the Foxe Book Days when the Dragon chased the Woman through Medieval Europe.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The person revealing himself to be the man of sin by the 2Thessalonians2:4 act will be around three years into the 7 years. We cannot pinpoint the exact day in the 7 year timeline that will take place. But around three years into it.

As far as identifying who that person is - yes, it is possible to know before the 7 years start - as the little horn..

As the little horn person he will become a leader over a panel of ten EU leaders - before the Gog/Magog attack on Israel takes place.

That little horn person will then become the prince who shall come of Daniel 9:26, into the middle east following Gog/Magog. The Jews will think he is their long awaited king of Israel messiah.

The false prophet will anoint him as the king of Israel. As the little horn person becomes the Antichrist.
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Revelation 6:2, the crown given to the rider on the white horn messiah figure.

The Antichrist thought-to-be messiah will then confirm the Mt Sinai covenant via the method described by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 - the 7 years are in verse 10 - to begin the 7 years of Daniel 9:27.
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Then around 3 years into the 7 years, the Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation act of Daniel 8:13 as described in 2Thessalonians2:4. Revealing himself to be the man of sin - and not the messiah after all. End of his stage as the Antichrist.

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He will then be killed, assassinated, for his sitting in the temple act of claiming to have achieved God-hood.

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A week or so later, he will come back to life, seemingly having overcome death.

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And he moves into his beast-king stage, as the ten EU leaders hand their EU kingdom over to him to be dictator of. Revelation 17:17.

The false prophet will then direct that a statue image be made of the beast-king and placed on the temple mount as the abomination of desolation - and the great tribulation will begin as the false prophet will demand worship of the statue image - 1335 days before Jesus returns.
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Matthew 24:
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

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1290 days pass, and then the world sees the sign of of the Son of man in heaven. The kings of the earth then gather their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army.

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45 days later, Jesus descends to earth to the Mt of Olives !!! The abomination of desolation statue image, goes up in flames, turned to ashes. And Satan exposed there on the temple mount. The beast-king and the false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire. And Satan cast into the bottomless pit.

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The great apostasy proceeds the Antichrist revealed. Paul was writing to the body of Christ when he said that the Antichrist would be revealed.
The white horse rider in revelation is the Antichrist revealed. He is the one that Kick off the great tribulation.
Just like Obama was revealed and told us all the bad things he would do before he ever became President.
That is, in a sense, a forerunner to the white horse rider.
75% of Christians will know that he is the Antichrist.
He won't need any announcement or anything .
the body of christ will know.
It is to the JEWS that he will be revealed as the beast at the halfway point of Daniel's 70th week.( the 7 yr trib)

By the way, when the pre regulation rapture occurs the world will see the biggest revival It has ever known with those people left behind ,because they're gonna realize what happened.
When you factor in that revival, I don't think it's possible to think that there will be a great revival, and then the Antichrist revealed.... which would be the exact opposite of "a great apostasy, and then the antichrist revealed"

So to say the AC is revealed at the 1/2 of tge 7 yrs is not plausible.
( only to the Jew dynamic would that apply)

 

[Douggg]

The great apostasy proceeds the Antichrist revealed. Paul was writing to the body of Christ when he said that the Antichrist would be revealed.

The falling away from believing that Jesus is the messiah will take place during the false messianic age which the Antichrist will be the thought-to-messiah. To take place during the first three years (thereabouts) of the 7 years.

Then the Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4, revealing himself as the man of sin, and not the messiah after all.

 

[Behold]

Something for you to consider. Reader.

The verse says......>"no MAN knoweth".. when Jesus is coming back.

Now notice what Paul wrote.
He wrote.....>"I received the Gospel, from NO MAN"... "not from any man"... but directly from "JESUS".

So, we see that Paul does not define Jesus, resurrected and in Heaven, as a "man"...

What then might we conclude?
= That Jesus, now in Heaven, KNOWS exactly when He is going to Rapture His Bride and next deliver 2 Thess 1:8,9.

 

[Dave Watchman]

The great apostasy proceeds the Antichrist revealed. Paul was writing to the body of Christ when he said that the Antichrist would be revealed.

I agree. But I think it happened already. We are past, and living in the late days of the apostacy. We're at the end of the rebellion, when rebels have become completely wicked, and are reaching their limit. The Antichrist is here, just not revealed yet.

The falling away from believing that Jesus is the messiah will take place during the false messianic age which the Antichrist will be the thought-to-messiah. To take place during the first three years (thereabouts) of the 7 years.

It's not the "falling away from believing that Jesus is the Messiah". It's the falling away from what Jesus said to do in His Word.

"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?"​

The falling away happened already, and is happening now. It was brewing in the late 60's, the 70's, and ramped up to a crazy crescendo in the summer of 2015. The apostasy is the falling away from the things God said to do, the Commandments of God. Those who do the Commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus.

Like Jesus said:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.​

The falling away is the falling away from the laws of Moses. Murder, adultery, abortion, pornography, same sex marriage, and the pediatric gender discovery clinics. The governments legalization of it all. On the wing of multiple Abominations.

Even pornography was illegal before 1969 in the US. They were protesting it as recent as the 1980's. Now it's accepted. It's normalized.

Deep Throat (1972), arguably the most famous pornographic film, introduced mainstream society to pornography, made millions of dollars, and was banned as obscene in 23 states. In this photo, protesters on 7th Avenue not far from Times Square in New York, picket the theater where the pornographic film "Deep Throat" was being shown in 1980. (AP Photo/Dave Pickoff)​

This is just one example of the apostasy, the "falling away", or the rebellion. It is NOT a falling away of Christians from the faith. It's a falling away, of all people, from the things which God said to do in His Word.

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;​

That word for "falling away" is "apostacy". It means "rebellion". (When rebels have reached their limit). It's a falling away, a rebellion from the Laws of God.

646. apostasia = Forsake Moses. 2 Occurrences.

Strong's Greek 646 has only 2 occurrences of apostasia in the New Testament Bible. And it has zero to do with Christians falling away from the faith of Jesus. Lol. It's first usage was in Acts 21:21, as the word for "forsake" Moses:

"and they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to our customs.​

The "apostacy" is about "forsaking" the Laws of Moses, which are the Laws of God. We're not saved by the Law anymore, but we're still not supposed to forsake them, or reach a worldwide rebellion against them.

"Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law. But as for the Gentiles who have believed, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality.”​

Here are those who keep the Commandments of God,
And have the Faith of Jesus.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I agree. But I think it happened already. We are past, and living in the late days of the apostacy. We're at the end of the rebellion, when rebels have become completely wicked, and are reaching their limit. The Antichrist is here, just not revealed yet.

It's not the "falling away from believing that Jesus is the Messiah". It's the falling away from what Jesus said to do in His Word.

"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?"​

The falling away happened already, and is happening now. It was brewing in the late 60's, the 70's, and ramped up to a crazy crescendo in the summer of 2015. The apostasy is the falling away from the things God said to do, the Commandments of God. Those who do the Commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus.

Like Jesus said:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.​

The falling away is the falling away from the laws of Moses. Murder, adultery, abortion, pornography, same sex marriage, and the pediatric gender discovery clinics. The governments legalization of it all. On the wing of multiple Abominations.

Even pornography was illegal before 1969 in the US. They were protesting it as recent as the 1980's. Now it's accepted. It's normalized.

Deep Throat (1972), arguably the most famous pornographic film, introduced mainstream society to pornography, made millions of dollars, and was banned as obscene in 23 states. In this photo, protesters on 7th Avenue not far from Times Square in New York, picket the theater where the pornographic film "Deep Throat" was being shown in 1980. (AP Photo/Dave Pickoff)​

This is just one example of the apostasy, the "falling away", or the rebellion. It is NOT a falling away of Christians from the faith. It's a falling away, of all people, from the things which God said to do in His Word.

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;​

That word for "falling away" is "apostacy". It means "rebellion". (When rebels have reached their limit). It's a falling away, a rebellion from the Laws of God.

646. apostasia = Forsake Moses. 2 Occurrences.

Strong's Greek 646 has only 2 occurrences of apostasia in the New Testament Bible. And it has zero to do with Christians falling away from the faith of Jesus. Lol. It's first usage was in Acts 21:21, as the word for "forsake" Moses:

"and they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to our customs.​

The "apostacy" is about "forsaking" the Laws of Moses, which are the Laws of God. We're not saved by the Law anymore, but we're still not supposed to forsake them, or reach a worldwide rebellion against them.

"Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law. But as for the Gentiles who have believed, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality.”​

Here are those who keep the Commandments of God,
And have the Faith of Jesus.

Peaceful Sabbath.

Apostacy in the greek translated "departure" or "from standing"
Has nothing to do with the world.
It is a departure from the faith...of the faithful, not the ungodly getting worse.

 

[Douggg]

I agree. But I think it happened already. We are past, and living in the late days of the apostacy. We're at the end of the rebellion, when rebels have become completely wicked, and are reaching their limit. The Antichrist is here, just not revealed yet.

Dave, I agree with you that person who becomes the Antichrist has not been revealed yet.