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  1. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    The sun, moon, and stars are not physical. They are God's heavenly host of angels. If you all think they are physical things as science teaches, you are stuck on human deception, instead of God's Word. What we see in the firmament are the heavenly host most would call that which is spiritual...
  2. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    How did that work out for all those in the OT prior to the Cross, including Lazarus, who had not received the second birth? They had to wait for a physical resurrection, remaining as a soul, in Abraham's bosom. They were not resurrected to obtain the second birth. They were physically...
  3. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    And Revelation 20:4-6 is not talking about the resurrection of Jesus Christ, so the first resurrection is physical, not this doctrine of man you are declaring as being preeminent. Lazarus did experience the first resurrection as he had a new permanent incorruptible physical body, and was not...
  4. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    Paul never said Jesus was the first resurrection. Paul said Jesus was the first to be resurrected. Only John in Revelation 20 defines the first resurrection. Amil change Scripture to change what John defined as the first resurrection. Was Jesus defined in Revelation 20:4-6? Paul was not...
  5. Timtofly

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    These people do not die to enter heaven. That would mean Jesus died to enter heaven, because they follow Jesus. You say they follow Jesus even through death. That is you adding physical death into the Word of God. In chapter 7 they are on the earth and sealed. These 144k do go through...
  6. Timtofly

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Do you believe in the living dead? That is a soul walking around in heaven without a physical body? Lazarus came out of his grave with a physical body, and has had that same physical body since ascending to heaven on resurrection Sunday, when Jesus ascended after talking to Mary. All of the...
  7. Timtofly

    Not ALL the physically dead are raised at the same time, the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

    Those in Revelation 20 have not even been beheaded yet. They are not random martyrs from the last 2 a thousand years. These are not the church beheaded for their beliefs. These are not those of Israel beheaded by the church for heresy. These people are beheaded after the Second Coming has...
  8. Timtofly

    The Rapture - At Any Hour

    Rightly dividing God's Word is not using a sledgehammer. Human teachings that add additional steps to God's Word outside of the Bible are 12lb. sledge hammers forcing man's understanding into Scripture. You all don't seem to understand what is even involved in the Confirmation of the...
  9. Timtofly

    The Rapture - At Any Hour

    Actually that is not how Jesus said it. Only God knows if there will be an AoD. Jesus never said there will be. He said "when it happens", not "that it will happen". Human interpretation can make Jesus say anything. If the AoD never happens, no one will have to flee.
  10. Timtofly

    Could Russia be a bear?

    No, I am saying Putin would sacrifice Russia for Ukraine. Any one can nuke in return. That is what mutual assured destruction stands for. If you think that only applies to the US and Russia, they are not the only ones with a nuclear arsenal. So you are saying this is a civil war, and...
  11. Timtofly

    POSTRIB RAPTURE. A BIBLE ONLY VIEW

    There is no repeated Second Coming in the book. There is only one Second Coming at the 6th Seal. Revelation 19 is not the Second Coming. Jesus sits in Judgment on a throne in Jerusalem from The 7th Seal until the 7th Thunder. Then the 7th Trumpet declares Jesus the King of the entire...
  12. Timtofly

    Spirits like frogs

    This is not how John puts the scenario in Revelation 16, nor Revelation 17, nor the actual battle in Revelation 19. Satan is defending his empire in Israel, from Jesus returning on white horses from heaven. Satan is defending his throne in Jerusalem. The world is trying to stop Jesus from...
  13. Timtofly

    How many kingdoms in Daniel?

    You are hijacking the thread, but I could not resist. Bringing it back on topic: "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth." "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured...
  14. Timtofly

    How many kingdoms in Daniel?

    Jesus came after 69 weeks, not after 70 weeks.
  15. Timtofly

    The time, times, and a half does not include the season and time, which is the thousand years.

    You keep changing Revelation around. Those beheaded in Revelation 20:4 are not from the last 2 millennia. They only died in the previous 42 month period. They are not the dead in Christ, and you keep changing the subject to something else. Daniel 7 is talking about the time after the...
  16. Timtofly

    POSTRIB RAPTURE. A BIBLE ONLY VIEW

    Not all the church has been martyred. All have been slain out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. John does not call them martyred, so why do you? Would you call being changed and raptured the same as being martyred? Paul never mentioned martyred, but he did say "alive and remain." Being...
  17. Timtofly

    POSTRIB RAPTURE. A BIBLE ONLY VIEW

    Supposition is not reality. You claim they are all killed. There are no mortals in the millennium. This is not about the errors you claim abound in modern eschatology. No post trib saints on earth needing to be raptured either. They were all beheaded. Paul said alive and remain, not...
  18. Timtofly

    POSTRIB RAPTURE. A BIBLE ONLY VIEW

    Yes, for a few moments they take a break from serving God day and night in that heavenly temple. You do realize they have had permanent incorruptible physical bodies enjoying all Paradise has to offer since the thief was promised Paradise that day, not told to wait 2 millennia. The only thing...
  19. Timtofly

    POSTRIB RAPTURE. A BIBLE ONLY VIEW

    They came out of great tribulation. They did not go thru it. No one has lived the entire 1994 years since the Cross. The church has gone through the tribulation of those days, because the church would suffer persecution from when Jesus left the earth until Jesus returned as King of Israel...
  20. Timtofly

    POSTRIB RAPTURE. A BIBLE ONLY VIEW

    And Israel will become a nation after the Second Coming. Yet Israel became a nation in 1948, so we missed the Second Coming, the rapture, the Tribulation, and the AoD, because they all happened before Israel became a nation.