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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Right... or pre-trib, or mid-trib. There is no "rapture." Christ's return will be rapturous, in that it will be sudden... and forceful, in the sense that no one and nothing (not even the evil one) will be able to contend with or mitigate it in any way... and final. All tribulation will cease...
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    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    I'll answer this... :) So I think this is what's in question: "Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air..." (1 Thessalonians 4:17) What Paul is saying here, Timtofly, is that yes, those who are alive, who are left (at...
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    One reason why the rapture can not be post-trib

    Well, the time period is a very literal time period... symbolized by the number 1,000, which denotes completeness, fullness... Like: "I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but...
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    One reason why the rapture can not be post-trib

    LOL! The millennium is certainly not a time of rest... :) Do you not think that even those who live "easy lives" have many problems ~ much tribulation ~ of their own? Life is hard for everyone, no matter how "easy" it looks from the outside looking in. If you don't think so, you're not...
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    One reason why the rapture can not be post-trib

    At the root of all is that the events of Revelation 20 are not sequential to Revelation 19:11-21, for basically the same reason you point out here. There is no "rapture" ~ it can be neither pre-tribulation or post-tribulation. I think most here, if not all, understand Revelation 19:11-21 to...
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    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    There is none. Funny how Timtofly gets to pick and choose between symbolism and literalism, but also gets to chastise everyone else for understanding anything in Scripture to be symbolic and not literal, no? :) Grace and peace to you, Freedm.
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    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    I'd like to know the Bible text(s) you think prophesy this, Davy. I say no, we ~ Jew and Gentile included, true Jews of God's Israel by the Spirit (Romans 2:28-29) ~ are the temple. I say, along with Paul in Ephesians 2, that all Christians are "members of the household of God, built on the...
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    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    Christ's resurrection was on the first day of the new week (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1). With Christ's resurrection, the Lord's Day took the place of the Sabbath Day, as Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:28: Luke 6:5). This day of rest was moved from...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    I'm... well aware of your opinion. :) And apparent narcissism. :) So long, Timtofly. It's been... interesting... :) Grace and peace to you.
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    Yes, God was saying he was going to create all humans in His image. And He started small on the sixth day, two total, one male and the other female. :) Absolutely not. See above. Goodness gracious. You're all the way out there, man, I'll give you "credit" for that... LOL!!! Grace and...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Funny how this goes both ways, no? :) You say this, but I'm sure the person you're arguing with thinks/says the very same about you. And he or she is right. Aside from that, you just recently said, "Going personal is thread killer." Are you not doing that very thing here? You are... :)...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    Claims what, Timtofly? That they were the only humans? When God created man, Adam was the first man created, in the beginning (Genesis 1:1), on the sixth day of His creative act (Genesis 1:26-27). And then we see that God created Eve, in Genesis 2, from Adam. As I said, there is nothing in...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    LOL! I don't even know what this means... Moses wrote the Pentateuch, but as we know, all Scripture is God-breathed, meaning it's writing was inspired by and superintended by God via His Holy Spirit. You know, I keep saying it, but, well, goodness gracious. LOL! Yeah, again, to all this...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    Yep. "The man..." (Adam) "...called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living." This is Genesis 3:20. Moses, inspired by the Holy Spirit, does not say there (or anywhere else), "The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living except the ones...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    LOL! There are different genres contained in God's Word. Poetry, wisdom literature, apocalyptic literature, history, biography, personal letters, prophecies... God's Word is quite amazing. "Dispensations..." LOL! That one not so much. :) You're echoing what I said recently here. :)...
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    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    So there are eight days of the week in your world, Timtofly? :) This is the Sabbath Day, Timtofly. Which we now refer to as the Lord's day. And we are commanded to keep, thereby keeping it holy. This would be Commandment four. There are no "dispensations," Timtofly. God is unchanging...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    Well, Eve was repeating what God said in your first instance there: "And the woman said to the serpent, 'We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'"...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    Meh. Genesis is quite different in style and genre than Revelation. Grace and peace to you.
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    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    And how would that be, Timtofly? I mean, that's really a rhetorical question, but feel free to answer. No, I'm quite clear on the pre-mill view (in all its variations). I would be interested to know how you think I misrepresent it, though. I don't intentionally misrepresent anything, and am...
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    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    You're not alone in thinking that, certainly. :) In response to what you say, I would ask, where does it say anything about us leaving, or going anywhere for any length of time, about the Lord taking us anywhere or removing us? Well, it doesn't say anything of the sort, but only really that we...