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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    The writer of Hebrews, in Hebrews 3 and 6, is assuming that who he is writing to are brothers and sisters in Christ, just as a preacher today assumes he is preaching to brothers and sisters in Christ. But he knows ~ or should, anyway ~ that some who hear his letter read, even though in the...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    I don't know all about you, for sure, marks, but that was never in view. It's been about the stream of eschatological thought you are in, and I do know it, both because of what you've said and, as I said, because I was once in at least pretty much that same stream. Goodness gracious. Grace...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    LOL! You're saying that the opposite of what I'm saying of my own experience is true, that what I thought is not really what I thought. To brand that as mistakenness... that's just not possible, marks, The only possibility is that you're saying either that I'm lying to you or lying to...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    I did. Of course not; you probably ignored it. :) It seems so, yes. It's not about me. Well, you don't mean it in this way, but there's a much greater context to that, and that's... kinda what I'm saying. Hopefully you will at some point, but if not, so be it. LOL! Sure. Well, yes it...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    <Sigh> Your question here, marks, underscores tenfold the point I am making to you. Some just refuse to see and/or accept the greater alongside the lesser with regard to Scripture. Such a tragedy; it's such a great theme running throughout God's inerrant, infallible Word. But, some come to...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    I just said I agree; need I do it again? Again, no, I do not think it's untrue. But you're avoiding my point in saying what I said, which is... understandable. :) I once did; I used to. Which is what I said. Why do you keep changing what I said? Putting words in my mouth? I seem to...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    Right, well, that's good, but one can't be bound by that, because then he/she falls into the error that the Jews of that day did, only seeing an immediate context and therefore missing their Messiah. We must also see it in the context that Paul did in Romans 2, Romans 9-11, and Ephesians 2, and...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    This seems to at least somewhat contradict what you said just a couple of posts ago, marks, that you "think everything written matters." It is what it is, regardless of our "approach." Ah yes, a key dispensational talking point... :) When all else fails, then accuse the other party of...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    SIGH. Disagreement on the timing of getting on the boat is not a hill to die on, marks. Whether it was the same day God told Noah what He was going to do or the seventh day after. And what is said ~ and how it is said, the intent behind it ~ matters, too. Maybe some self-examination is in...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    Didn't say that, marks. It is interesting, sure. But disagreement on whether they got in the boat on the first day or the seventh day ~ other than believing God, of course ~ is not terribly important. :) I would agree. And the manufacturing of details not included in some places is a...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    Well, yeah... :) Okay, but no matter. All that really matters is that they all got on before the rain... :) Grace and peace to you.
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    No, it was the seventh day that they entered the ark. Look again, especially the bold print: "Then the LORD said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen that you are righteous before me in this generation. Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    I say the same thing of you. If you disagree that "the same day" refers to the day it started raining ~ which was seven days after God told Noah that's exactly what would happen ~ then yes, you are not reading close enough. What you (and @marks) seem to be saying is that "the same day" in...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    We can't really know the precise timing, because we are not told. Your "selfsame day" quote is from Genesis 7:13, and that refers to "(the) day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened," which was seven days after God had told Noah the waters...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    Well, yes, we are being carried through the storm ~ tribulation. Right? Grace and peace to you.
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    Hm. Are you agreeing with me, David? :) Grace and peace to you.
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    Nothing God does is random in any way. Everything He does, He does for His own glory. He apparently made Pharaoh to be as he was and hardened him accordingly. So it is with all those Whom God does not choose from all eternity that they should be holy and blameless before Him, who He gives up...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    Paul is talking about the two in direct relation to his exposition of God's election, so yes. And, to your point, those of Jacob, whom God renamed Israel, are elect of God and chosen unto salvation, while those of Esau are not. Agree. Well, and give salvation to all of Israel and not those of...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    Because it's not, SI. In verse 4, the writer specifies "those who have once been enlightened... tasted the heavenly gift... and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come," and it is very possible to do any or all of these...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    Oh, my. Wow. Well, yes, I definitely deny that "understanding" of things. :) Grace and peace to you, Timtofly.