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  1. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Why have you capitalised 'Lord' to give the impression that it is God's name rather than the title 'Lord' or 'master'? Most definitely not! The prophecy referred to (Zechariah 9:9) is predicting the triumph of Israel and the fall of the neighbouring nations. It is referring to the time when...
  2. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Nathanael first said "You are the Son of God!" That is the important point that he believed. God was originally the King of Israel, but the people wanted a human king instead (1 Samuel 8:7 - 'Yahweh said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people in all that they tell you; for they have not...
  3. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Yes, I have read them. What is your point? Where does it confirm that Jesus is the king of Israel? Some people called him that, but not Jesus himself nor God. In Daniel the Messiah is referred to as a prince: Daniel 9:25 (KJV): Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of...
  4. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    I didn't cut it out - I quoted verses 33-36 with no omissions. In verse 37 Jesus confirms that he is "a king", but he doesn't say that he is the king of Israel. What Kingdom did Jesus preach about? It wasn't the kingdom of Israel. Here's a few clues: Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in...
  5. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    John 18:33-36 (WEB): (33) Pilate therefore entered again into the Praetorium, called Jesus, and said to him, “Are you the King of the Jews?” (34) Jesus answered him, “Do you say this by yourself, or did others tell you about me?” (35) Pilate answered, “I’m not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and...
  6. keithr

    Genesis chapter 30

    Bible quotes from the WEB (World English Bible), comments from the Cambridge Bible Notes (emboldening by me): (32) I will pass through all your flock today, removing from there every speckled and spotted one, and every black one among the sheep, and the spotted and speckled among the goats...
  7. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    He was accused of claiming to be the king of the Jews. Because they didn't understand what he was saying.
  8. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    You are misquoting. It does not say 'almighty God', it says, Isaiah 9:6 (KJV): (6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
  9. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Psalms 40:7-8 (WEB): (7) Then I said, “Behold, I have come. It is written about me in the book in the scroll. (8) I delight to do your will, my God. Yes, your law is within my heart.” Jesus spoke the words that God told him to speak, but nevertheless God's law was written in his heart - he...
  10. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Psalms 82:1,6-8 (WEB): (1) A Psalm by Asaph. God presides in the great assembly. He judges among the gods. (6) I said, “You are gods, all of you are sons of the Most High. (7) Nevertheless you shall die like men, and fall like one of the rulers.” (8) Arise, God, judge the earth, for you...
  11. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    As I wrote, there is no mention at all of the "Spirit" in the passage you quoted, so it is NOT "there". So why don't you believe what you quote? It declares that Jesus is the Son of God, not that he is God. At Pentecost, after Jesus' resurrection, we're told, Acts 2:3-4 (WEB): (3) Tongues...
  12. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Jesus said, after his resurrection, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth" (Matthew 28:18), which would definitely make him a god (a mighty being), so there was no reason to correct Thomas. It does not make Jesus to be the only true almighty God though. As Jesus said, in...
  13. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Why have you taken three words out of a verse only. This seems like deliberate sophistry. What did Thomas believe? John 20 (WEB): (25) The other disciples therefore said to him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails, put my finger...
  14. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    What translation is that? The only one that I can find that translates it that way is the Good News Bible, which I don't think is a good translation (it's certainly not accurate in translating this verse!). All other translations that I've checked say "I am" or "I am he". The meaning is like...
  15. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    How can you draw that conclusion from that passage? There is no mention at all of the "Spirit". Jesus says that God was his father and the Jews erroneously thought that meant that he was claiming to be equal to God (Jesus has never claimed equality with God). If you were to claim that God is...
  16. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Why YHVH said what to Moses?
  17. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    I'd prefer arguments based on the Bible rather than statements like "well repected Bible scholars don't know what they're talking about, but I do". But hey ho, what can you do about it? A little more from the Cambridge Bible Notes: 12. Jerome (Ep. lxxiii. ad Evangelum), summarizing opinions...
  18. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    How does three men not knowing what God's name was indicate that God has changed His name? Your logic is flawed. You've been blinded by the erroneous Trinity doctrine into not recognising who Jesus is. God has highly exalted Jesus, but He hasn't exalted Jesus to be above Himself. Jesus is...
  19. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    I meant that Jesus did not come down from heaven for the purpose of then becoming a man. While he was in heaven God transformed/translated/changed him into human form. Just as Christians will be changed by God in the twinkling of an eye from human to divine spirit beings, so God changed His...
  20. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    All that we know of Melchizedek is what is mentioned in Genesis 14:18-20 (WEB): (18) Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High. (19) He blessed him, and said, “Blessed be Abram of God Most High, possessor of heaven and earth. (20) Blessed be God...