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  1. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Who is G-D? God's name is YHVH, and it appears nearly 7,000 times in the Bible. To refer to God by His name, that He said was His name, is not "false humility" nor "idol worship". God has never changed His name - His name will remain the same for 'all generations'. God's name is not, and...
  2. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    The Bible never mentions anyone called "God the Son". Jesus didn't come down from heaven to become a man. He became flesh when God transformed him into human form, in the womb of Mary. It's what you wrote! Now you're saying that Melchisedec was Jacob's God! And it was Melchisedec (a man) in...
  3. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Let's put that in context - Hebrews 5:2-10 (WEB): (2) The high priest can deal gently with those who are ignorant and going astray, because he himself is also surrounded with weakness. (3) Because of this, he must offer sacrifices for sins for the people, as well as for himself. (4) Nobody...
  4. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Who came in the flesh? Answer - God's only-begotten son, Jesus. Hebrews 1:1-2 (1) God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, (2) has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom...
  5. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    That is just confusing unscriptual nonsense! To say that God was Jesus, His own only-begotten son, and the God of Jacob, and that He was also Jacob and fought with Himself to try and persuade Himself to not be crucified hundreds of years later - well that's just ridiculous nonsense. To say...
  6. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    What makes you think that Adam knew "the truth"? All God had told him, according to what is written in Genesis, is that if he ate from tree in the middle of the garden then he would die. He was told this before God had created Eve, so at that point there was no hint or possibility that he...
  7. keithr

    Adam, a picture of Christ

    No other human (apart from Eve) would have existed and had life if it wasn't for Adam (and Eve). He was the father of the human race. Similarly Abraham was called the father of Israel: Genesis 17:5 Your name will no more be called Abram, but your name will be Abraham; for I have made you the...
  8. keithr

    Adam, a picture of Christ

    Adam was the first man, the root or life-giver of the human race. Likewise, Jesus at his second advent will be the eternal life-giver of the human race.
  9. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    A new thread (Adam, a picture of Christ) reminded me of Romans 5:14 (MKJV): (14) But death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is the type of Him who was to come;
  10. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    You're repeating your misunderstanding of what I wrote, reading into it things I didn't write, and which I've already stated that I disagree with. I've simply stated how Adam may have reasoned and come to his decision to eat the forbidden fruit. I've not stated that it was the right thing to...
  11. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Just because someone commits a sin under the Law Covenant that God has declared should result in the death penalty, that does not mean that such sins cannot be forgiven as a result of Jesus' sacrifice. Any sin results in death ("the wages of sin is death") but "the free gift of God is eternal...
  12. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Jesus has never been God (almighty God, Yahweh, the Father) - he is God's only begotten son. He pre-existed as a god, but not as God Yahweh. Right - God sent Jesus into the world in human form. So you agree then that Jesus did exist as a spirit being before he came to earth as a man?
  13. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    I have to disagree with that! Jesus is the substitute for Adam. By his death Jesus paid Adam's penalty for sin, meaning that Adam can now be raisied to life again (and all of Adam's decendants too, because they only died because they inherited an imperfect and sinful nature, the effects of...
  14. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    No, I'm saying that God was able to deduce that they would sin. He has allowed that to happen, and I would surmise that he allowed it for a good reason - perhaps because it's the best way for us to learn, by experience, of the effects of sin, and therefore to better equip us for an eternity of...
  15. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Except that the verse says "before the foundation of the world". Here is another verse in harmony with Ephesians 1:4: 2 Timothy 1:8-9 (KJV): (8) Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according...
  16. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    The following verses imply that God had foreseen the fall of man and planned our redemption before the earth was created. Ephesians 1:3-5 (WEB): (3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ; (4)...
  17. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Why do people keep getting that expression wrong? :confused: The expression is, "I could not care less" - the "not" is very important!
  18. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    These verses do imply that Jesus existed before his appearance on earth in human form: Colossians 1:16 (WEB): For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been...
  19. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Yes, I may have misunderstood what you wrote. I thought you were implying, as others have, that God is outside of time, with time being a property of the physical universe that He created, and so He can see the past, present and future. I therefore assumed that you were implying that His son...
  20. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Neither does it explain why Jesus answered the question "when will these things happen? What will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?", by saying, "But no one knows of that day and hour, not even the angels of heaven, but my Father only" (Matthew 24:36). Nor why God had to...