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It's not conducive to edification to get frustrated and describe others negatively.

What is Satan's wheel house if a cult is not that? Lol

No, I didn't mean you said that. I was referring to someone else. That said, there are people on this thread who believe in OSAS and I don't think it is necessary to denigrate them based on that (if this thread had been about OSAS, I would encourage people to bring their arguments from...

The discussion centers on John's writings, and I was alluding to John 15.

Guys, thanks for your interactions. Ever since I learned that I need to make sure to not let my heart be troubled, this conversation has been troubling me--likely because it was out of having been troubled at heart that I initiated the discussion. So if I keep trying to make the point I made...

Even when we differ, it is a nice change to speak with people who aren't flaming one another (eg, "you're in a cult", ect, etc, etc) @PS95 @Grailhunter @CadyandZoe so let's maintain that.

I'd have to humbly differ, bc branches in Him that do not abide are cut off and thrown in the fire; John teaches abiding in Him is by believing and loving (1 Jn 3:23,24), and "little children" are warned to both abide (lest they be ashamed and shrink back at His appearance), and to keep...

Please do not engage with off topic issues here; if you want to interact with him on off topic things he has said, please send him a private message.

I'm respecting the text. It says they believed, BUT they loved man's praise more than God's--ie, these two things were in conflict, and they chose not to confess Christ, but to deny Christ. It's simple, not mysterious. I don't conclude what you conclude. This discussion is centered on John's...

Right, so it sounds like you affirm both that eternal life does hinge on faith, and it hinges on good works, but whoever "truly" believes will inevitably, bc they're born of God, do good deeds that eternal life hinges on. Is that correct?

Partly, I meant that Christ, and faith in Christ, accomplishes a lot of things, not just forgiveness.

Well, Scripturally, that formulation has no justification. Already mentioned John 12. The leaders believed, but that faith didn't result in eternal life (Jn 12).

As stated, I have studied "all God's counsel" on this issue for decades, and made many many threads discussing the same--in fact, this is my first and only thread where I'm trying to stick to John. OK, so just bc you want to doesn't mean you do it, so works don't automatically flow from faith...

Irrespectively, I appreciate you and @PS95 interacting.

Thanks

If you've read, I'm sticking with John (Gospel and Epistles) for this thread. Want is not the same as actually obeying. If you've read, you will know I already went the route of obedience, and, still, God rejected it, bc I didn't do it out of 100% love (I detected no reason, in Scripture, for...

As previously stated, there is no answer in #414 (in fact, you've admitted you do not see a need to reconcile the two ideas), and, as stated, I've already made many posts where all the Scriptures were taken into consideration, and I have spent decades studying the entirety of the Scriptures, so...

Thanks for taking your time, but I can't agree with the idea that "true faith invariably works", bc John's Gospel says that many of the leaders believed, but they would not confess Him. You may be hitting upon something that has some angle of truth to it, but, strictly speaking, it is not true...

1. So, I'll put your way of reconciling them as rejecting the idea that they even need reconciling. 2. Reconcile something that isn't in the same category? If eternal life is said to hinge on the one, how can it hinge on the other--how are they different categories? How is it a gift when you're...

Wait, are you talking about Catholics? Lol