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Thank you for your opinions. Mary

:jest: Oh my gosh, it is soooo funny when you make fun of your fellow Christians. You are sooooo Christ like! :Thumbsup:

:jest: Is this a serious post? You know what is in my heart? How He has changed my life? According to YOU I have nothing to do with Christ because YOU believe I don't? Bizarre to say the least..... Scripture says, Baptism now saves you. You Protestants says it doesn't save you. But Catholics...

Interesting. I provided the links to Roberts-Donaldson and Lightfoot and those links showed Church capitalized. But your quotes for Roberts-Donaldson and Lightfoot were allegedly different even though the link you quoted from showed Church capitalized. Sooooo I'm a bit confused..... Also, I...

Redfan...I get the game you are playing. It makes me sad that you have even failed to acknowledge that YOUR translation of Greek is completely opposite of the link YOU provided and the 3 other links I provided. You want to go down another rabbit trail and brush off your opinion like it never...

You are right. It is a logical outgrowth of the interpretation. The Church is led by men (plural) but there is only one man who presides over The Church, and he sits in the chair of Peter. I can't speak for The hierarchical make up of The Church in Rome at that time is not well documented, but...

I just figured out what word game you are playing. You are referring to "along with the elders that preside over the Church." You think that since it says elders (plural) that preside of the Church it means that SEVERAL men preside over The Church. Not just one man, the Pope. You think that...

I don't know what word game you are playing but it makes no sense.

When have I ever portrayed elders/presbyters as leaders of the worldwide universal Church? Elders/presbyters (we call them Bishops/priests) are leaders of a region for the bishop and a church for a priest.

It matters because it shows that you are wrong.

If Jesus was going to be with his disciples to the end of the age, why did He wait until 1,800 years after His death and reveal to Russel and his minions the truth of Scripture. That make zero sense. Jesus would not be party to any of that.

Hey Jude. @Aunty Jane lost me when she suggested the Apostolic Fathers were apostate saying we can't trust their writings/commentaries concerning Scripture. But the men of the JW we can trust. It is impossible to have a serious conversation with someone like that......Good luck. Mary

Lol...Hold on...HOLD ON!! I'm trying to figure out if you are being serious here!! Since the writings of the AF's DON'T appear in Scripture and YOU don't think that the writings of the AF's "corroborate the teachings of Christ" you don't trust what they wrote? But you do think that the writings...

Thanks RedFan. Church is capitalized on the link that YOU USED to make your point: https://www.earlychurchtexts.com/public/apostfaths/hermas/vision_2_4.htm# JB Lightfoot has it capitalized: The Shepherd of Hermas (Lightfoot translation) Roberts-Donalson English Translation has it capitalized...

Hey Jane, You trust Russell and his colleagues because they threw out all preconceived ideas taught by "inept" Christendom and its many denominations. Russell and his crew simply allowed the Bible to speak for itself! Putting your theory to the test, wouldn't the Apostolic Fathers (AF's) be the...

I have a feeling that @Aunty Jane doesn't care that the Bible has been read out loud for all to hear in LITURGY (public worship) since the 1st century. I pointed that out to her also. Aunt Jane believes that once the bible was actually in the hands of a majority of Christians, THEN and only...

You are right Brakelite. It was Paul speaking of his own departure. I was going by memory of what Acts 20 spoke of, and I should not have done that. Even correcting WHO said does not change the FACT that the falling away would begin with the demise of the last of the Apostle! There were already...

I agree, the revelation of truth has been progressive. The Church teaches and believes that also. But what your men have done is CHANGED the truth of what Russell and his men were originally allegedly told to by God! Your man Russell came along 1,800 years AFTER the death of Christ and 300...

Thanks, RedFan. Both quotes you provided does not say "presides over the church in Rome". In both quotes you provided it says "preside over the Church" with Church being capitalized. It doesn't say "Church in Rome" and if it did it would say church (not capitalized) in Rome it would be that...

Your man Russell broke away from Miller who broke away from the Baptist who broke away from the English separatist's church who broke away from the Church of England who broke away from The Catholic Church. Based on what you said in the post above it appears that you think that the men who...