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Interesting theory, thank you. How do these facts work into your theory: For the first 300 years of Christianity 'The Bible' consisted of different books until The Church had a meeting and decided what books would be in our bible. For the 1st 1,500 years of Christianity the bible generally...

Interesting AJ.....the timing is what sold you? Did you know that over the last 2,000 years there have been dozens if not hundreds of men who have done the same thing your JW men have done? Why were the JW men the ones you decided to follow and not the dozens of other men that have done the...

Thank you for the clarification that you were metaphorically thanking God for Luther dividing Christianity. I agree, there were centuries of abuse in The Church. It needed some changes to root out corruption. It appears to me that you are saying that Luther (and the other Reformers around that...

Nice dodge AJ. :cool: I have read the links I posted and that is why I am asking you because the links don't answer the question I asked you. You seem to believe what your CURRENT men are telling you is the truth and what Russell originally taught was a lie since what Russell taught has been...

I have read the link. The men of your Church changed and added to some of the original teachings of Russell. If God truly ordained your man, Charles Russell, and we can truly "thank God" for Russell as the man to bring THE truth to Christianity, why has your church Changed Some of Their...

Hey Athanasius, You agree that in 80AD the Corinthian church looked to Rome (Clement) for guidance, which means Rome and Corinth weren't equals. Historically we know that in the early Church Clements letters were considered Scripture and were read aloud at church services alongside Matthew...

He RedFan, I have been arguing all along and never changed the argument that Ignatius letter to the Roman church supports its primacy. I think the confusion between us happened when either you thought I said OR I said that his letter to the Smyrnaeans supports Roman primacy. If I said that OR...

None of the passages you provided say that the falling away would begin with the demise of the last of the Apostles! Acts 20 says that the falling away will happen after Jesus departs. After he departs the wolves will enter among them (the Apostles and the flock). 2 Thessalonians doesn't say...

Lol....You don't correspond with us. You preach anti-Catholic rhetoric to us. You crack me up. I will come back tomorrow and check your posts when I need another good laugh.

Help me out here AJ, The website of your Protestant denomination has a tab that I can click on that says, "Bible teachings". On that page it says, "What does the Bible really teach?" So are YOU truly 'allowed to let the Bible to speak for itself'? Or do you have to allow your men to tell you...

He AJ, You are not the first person on here that has said, "thank God for Luther"! When you thank God for something it suggests you think God wanted it to happen, blessed it, ordained it etc. If you believe that God ordained what Luther did, you must agree with the teachings of the Luteran...

Thank you for your opinion. My opinion is that it does support Roman primacy. Doing some brief research on all his letters the one to the Roman church gives much more praise to that church saying in part; "worthy of being deemed holy, and which presides over love,"

Your SDA rules say they can discipline you so the answer is YES Marymog. If I don't believe my elders, I get disciplined!! End of discussion.......

No, you (we) have not focused on one letter. Once again, in post #1,617 you said in regard to his letter to the Romans, The concept Iggy was expressing with ἥτις καὶ προκάθηται ἐν τόπῳ χωρίου Ῥωμαίων is that the church at Rome was presiding in the Italian peninsula, not worldwide. In that post...

Where does Scripture say that?

Hold on Redfan. You have me confused. I must have missed a post on this or I am confusing the flow of the discussion. I agree with you that the Letter to the Smyrnaeans does not support the notion that Rome had primacy during Ignatius time. But in post #1,617 your entire defense of you...

Let's try this again. Focus on the questions. When you answer my quesitons I will answer yours kiddo: YOU are telling ME why I don't enjoy talking to you? How about if you just ASK instead of presuming why I don't like talking to you?

Hey dodgeball....Lets try this for the 3rd, Or is it the 4th time: If you don't believe your elders, do you get disciplined?

You do know that individual Catholics don't make doctrine for The Church?

Lol....You do know that individual Catholics don't make doctrine for The Church? Right? So the names you listed can not make doctrine for The Church any more than I can. You crack me up... But let's stay in your anti-Catholic, lack of knowledge about your own Christian history or The Church you...