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  1. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Continued.... This is one of His rightful titles. Long before Christ’s first advent, the prophet Isaiah spoke these words of comfort to Israel, ‘For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor...
  2. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    The following may not be to everyone's liking, but for me, it is a well composed commentary on the divinity of Christ. It is an except written by E J Wagoner, from his excellent book, Christ and His Righteousness. How Shall We Consider Christ? “But how should we consider Christ? Just as He has...
  3. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Yeah it is a trick question when you quote what purports to be Scripture but is a false translation, and then ask me to validate the false idea that Philippians is speaking about someone who has attempted to grasp equality with God. There is one who is doing that Satan, but you didn't believe in...
  4. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    There is a more specific answer to the identity of the covering cherub mentioned in Ezekiel in relation to the king of Tyre. As most would be aware, the tabernacle that most had built in the wilderness according to Hebrews, was a copy of the temple in heaven (made without hands) , including the...
  5. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    It's a pity that you missed the real reason the Pharisees block their ears and stoned Stephen. There reacted when he said, I see Jesus standing at the right hand of God. Do you not understand the the significance of being at the Sovereign's right hand?
  6. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    None else, according to the actual true text, has ever been equal to God. However, Satan is in the process of attempting the opposite using human proxies.
  7. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    In the beginning of what? John doesn't tell us. Mmm. His version is a clever twist... And he said it wasn't a trick question!
  8. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Why not? We aren't told how, but we are told numerous times of the very real ontological relationship between Father and Son. The apostle John even said that without a relationship with them both, we are lost. Which is why it is so important we get their relationship right. Would you agree that...
  9. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Of course I agree. It isn't a new revelation. That we should allow the holy Spirit to develop the mind of Christ in those who are His isn't controversial or in doubt.
  10. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    A simple yes or no will not do when I disagree with your principle premise... God or Son to servant... Both. If you don't think that the Son begotten of God is not God, then what is He?
  11. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Before going through your texts. I will offer one myself which completely supports the concept of preexistence. “6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the...
  12. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    You are correct, Jesus was not created. He was begotten. And because Jesus created all things, (obviously He didn't create Himself) therefore He was begotten before creation... Before time. Begotten's predominant meaning in Scripture is not unique as some would have it, but born. Jesus was...
  13. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    I agree with you until you get to 2 Gods.
  14. Brakelite

    if i wanted to become a catholic

    I would like you to note how Aaron introduced the calf to the people, “4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 5 And when Aaron...
  15. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    The Son received everything of His Father through being begotten. A literal ontological Son... Not a metaphor or a created being. A Son that came forth of God before creation. A Son who in conjunction and agreement with His Father, chose to become a human baby with all the weaknesses and trials...
  16. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    You have to ignore a lot of Scripture to come to that conclusion.
  17. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Why not? He wasn't called Christ or Jesus, but He was begotten long enough ago to create everything.
  18. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Okay. Does anytime actually teach that?
  19. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    I disagree with the way the creeds are used as a formula in order to describe God. They go too far in attempting to reduce an infinite Being to a formula to satisfy a finite man's intellect . None of us can understand the nature of the Godhead. It is beyond us all, and arguing over details is...
  20. Brakelite

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    I agree with everything you posted here, not sure of what you were pointing to though?